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Celerity

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15. more than just Manchin, unfortunately, the way it stands now, there is almost zero chance
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:34 PM
Oct 2020

Last edited Sun Oct 11, 2020, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)

I am NOT saying that all of these will balk at it, but even if we flip 8 of the 11 most likely to flip seats (so have a 54-46 majority), if 5 of them say nope, then we are fucked. If 4 say no, then it will come down to Biden via his proxy vote, VP Harris.

here are the most likely to say no, some already have said they oppose it (in bold), so if we take it back by a 54-46 majority, it is already dead in the water (as many of the new ones also oppose) unless those who oppose now are persuaded to change their mind

bear in mind, at least 5 or so have already said they will not even support getting rid of the filibuster


btw, if you see some on here who have said they WOULD support it (SCOTUS expansion), then please tell me and I amend the list


Arizona Kyrsten Sinema (she and Manchin are the two most conservative in the Dem Senate Caucus)
California Dianne Feinstein
Colorado Michael Bennet
Delaware Tom Carper
Delaware Chris Coons
Illinois Dick Durbin
Maine Angus King
Michigan Debbie Stabenow
Michigan Gary Peters
Montana Jon Tester
Nevada Catherine Cortez Masto
Nevada Jacky Rosen
New Hampshire Jeanne Shaheen
New Hampshire Maggie Hassan
Pennsylvania Bob Casey Jr.
Vermont Patrick Leahy
Virginia Mark Warner
Virginia Tim Kaine
West Virginia Manchin


plus multiple new ones running have said they oppose expansion

Alaska Gross
Arizona Kelly
Georgia Ossoff
Maine Gideon
North Carolina Cunningham


maybe Hickenlooper (he has went back and forth)

Congress by legislation. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #1
So if we flip the Senate, it could happen? Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2020 #4
If we eliminate the filibuster, yes. roamer65 Oct 2020 #10
Thanks. Then the media who is obsessed if Biden will increase the number of justices on the SC still_one Oct 2020 #7
I believe it would take an act of Congress dflprincess Oct 2020 #2
It would require legislation, which of course, rsdsharp Oct 2020 #3
While Biden won't answer the question now, I thought moonscape Oct 2020 #5
While he might not support it, I don't believe he would veto WheelWalker Oct 2020 #11
+++ still_one Oct 2020 #14
Good point. But without the President moonscape Oct 2020 #17
He will say he supports the will of the people as manifested by the Congress, though WheelWalker Oct 2020 #19
more than just Manchin, unfortunately, the way it stands now, there is almost zero chance Celerity Oct 2020 #15
When has Manchin BGBD Oct 2020 #16
he is campaigning and fundraising for Susan Collins in Maine, that is the epitome of Celerity Oct 2020 #21
Thanks. Great list and perspective. I've moonscape Oct 2020 #18
It is not specified in the Constitution. RDANGELO Oct 2020 #6
There is an existing statute specifying nine justices. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #8
Ok I was wrong. RDANGELO Oct 2020 #13
By legislation from Congress. roamer65 Oct 2020 #9
If the turtle hadn't done what he done I would say no. Now, I would say all bets are off. demosincebirth Oct 2020 #12
I agree. Let the debate begin. WheelWalker Oct 2020 #20
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