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jaxx

(9,236 posts)
19. Obama Just as Progressive as non-mythical FDR
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jan 2012

<..> Very progressive ideas, to be sure. But as I said, while FDR was advocating for the above, he was also smacking Hoover around for his “fiscal irresponsibility” in running such huge budget deficits. So, which is it? Was he a progressive, or was he not? By today’s standards, according to some quarters of the progressive movement, he should have been written off, because there simply can be no talk of deficits while the country is reeling, right?

Even if you don’t think his railing about deficits during a depression disqualifies him from “good progressive” status on its own, you should know that Roosevelt campaigned on the Democratic platform in 1932, which, among other things called for "immediate and drastic reductions of all public expenditures," (huge spending cuts), the abolishment of "useless commissions and offices” and the "[consolidation] of departments and bureaus (small government) and “eliminating extravagances" (again, huge spending cuts). He also campaigned on a balanced budget, although he fell short of calling for an amendment to the Constitution.

Okay, so what do we have so far? We have a guy who’s running as a deficit hawk during a depression, who advocates for a balanced budget and smaller government.

<..> FDR was a great president, not perfect, and his record is actually much like Obama’s. Therefore, when you trash Obama, you trash FDR. When you say Obama is just like Bush, you’re essentially saying that Bush is just like FDR, which is absurd.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2011/09/obama-just-as-progressive-as-non-mythical-fdr-1.html

Subject line about Obama, first line about congress. redqueen Jan 2012 #1
Wonder why FDR's congress was so compliant? boston bean Jan 2012 #4
FDR's administration wrote a lot of the laws and handed them to Congress FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #5
Also, the citizens were fed up boston bean Jan 2012 #7
Citizens are Very Fed Up FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #37
And you think the right-wing Republicans and conservadems in Congress are going to stop? NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #8
What element of our law requires that a President hold his tongue until Congress is Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #11
When the administration communicates, DU ignores or dismisses it emulatorloo Jan 2012 #25
He HAS been speaking out. Yet when he does so, people scream NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #33
When Obama speaks out - DEMs in Congress and the Senate don't support him FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #38
voting is not the only way to make politicians boston bean Jan 2012 #12
No but voting the bad politicians OUT and voting good ones IN will get things done. NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #34
Exactly. His fireside chats were all about getting the jobs done. jwirr Jan 2012 #43
That is absurd. FDR had a triple digit majority in the House, and 76 seats in the Senate. He could BzaDem Jan 2012 #44
We need drastic action. The Repukes will not let that happen eridani Jan 2012 #2
"Bi-Partizan" efforts my arse FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #3
Yes, there are many things he could be doing woo me with science Jan 2012 #27
DING DING DING - We have a Winner Folks FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #39
We didn't even get Obama ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #6
You're wrong, and I can PROVE it MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #9
Not that I don't appreciate the tongue-in-cheek humor... Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #35
Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad JoePhilly Jan 2012 #10
It is the opinion of another DUer who is your equal. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #13
Says you. Robb Jan 2012 #14
After the 10th or 20th "Obama isn't FDR" OP ... JoePhilly Jan 2012 #15
Damn right... SidDithers Jan 2012 #16
Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk..... Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #28
Just stop already surfdog Jan 2012 #17
Since he campaigns and devotes resources to his obstructors and NEVER calls them out TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #26
Obama never calls out the GOP? surfdog Jan 2012 #30
You ProSense Jan 2012 #18
Obama Just as Progressive as non-mythical FDR jaxx Jan 2012 #19
You're kidding, correct? RC Jan 2012 #20
Not kidding at all. jaxx Jan 2012 #31
In 1936 many felt that FDR had not been "progressive enough" for the times. pampango Jan 2012 #21
This is a thoughtful, content-filled OP. woo me with science Jan 2012 #22
Where is the content in the OP? I just see hyperbolic statements and a lot of spin strung together emulatorloo Jan 2012 #23
Absolutely right. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #46
"Everything you write in this OP is true." Son of Gob Jan 2012 #52
If FDR were President now, you'd be dumping on him, too. MineralMan Jan 2012 #24
+1 treestar Jan 2012 #56
FDR OKed the mass slaughter of German & Japanese civilians via bombing raids on their cities. Scurrilous Jan 2012 #29
And you're a Democrat? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #47
This is not 1933 ... bonzotex Jan 2012 #32
Well said! nt One of the 99 Jan 2012 #40
Fuck yeah! Think how much better off we would be with McCain in office! No Sotomayor, no Kagan ... 11 Bravo Jan 2012 #36
So you may not like him because he's too conservative Cleita Jan 2012 #41
Pres Obama is the Knight on a White Horse Come to Save us from the GOP opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #42
How dramatic! MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #45
Yeah...we needed to inter the Japanese...... FrenchieCat Jan 2012 #48
FDR's problems were different from Obama's. craigmatic Jan 2012 #49
Great point about the Tea Party Son of Gob Jan 2012 #50
Not originally FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #53
That's hilarious Son of Gob Jan 2012 #54
K&R....n/t unkachuck Jan 2012 #51
Maybe we needed the 1932 Congress too then treestar Jan 2012 #55
He passed the Healthcare Bill with provisions to enrich Insurance Corps FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #57
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