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Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
48. I'll weigh in...
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:58 PM
Dec 2020

I do a fair amount of work with Photoshop and I've studied the photos carefully. My findings:

1. Those aren't the same images of Trump.
No one's borrowed the image from the Prince Charles photo and inserted it into the Xmas photo. Under close examination, you can see numerous differences in the angle of the shot, the direction the eyes are looking, the positions of the throats and chin, etc. I can understand why someone might think the photos are the same: Trump is famous among photographers for getting into the exact same pose and facial expression whenever he has a photo taken. It's canned and automatic; photographers hate it because it is impossible to get him to adopt any other pose than the "tried and true" one he's been using for decades.

2. I think Trump and Melania are, indeed, posing on those stairs; they weren't Photoshopped in.
If you look at the marble floor in front of them, you can see the reflection of their lower legs in the polished stone. It's unlikely that those reflections were added. Not impossible, of course, but unlikely -- if the reflections weren't there, no one would miss them, so I can't see someone putting in the effort, especially when adding another fake detail might make it easier to detect the manipulation.

3. Similarly, I'm not convinced Trump and Melania are too small for the photo.
That's a colossal staircase. I think most observers are thinking in terms of their staircase at home, don't have an appreciation for the palatial scale of the photo's architecture, and are making a bad call. If you want to see another example of how the Grand Staircase of the White House tends to dwarf people, take a look at this photo of JFK, Jackie, and guests walking through it.

Do I think the photo has had some Photoshop manipulation? Yes, definitely; particularly in the case of Melania. I'm just saying that it appears to me the two of them were, indeed, posing on that staircase. Also, for what it's worth, a HUGE amount of studio lighting was brought to bear for the shoot. At least two very large light boxes were placed at 45 degrees to the left and right, with another head-on. The boxes have softened all the shadows and that's one reason people are thinking the photo is faked.

My two cents.

Photoshop yes Sanity Claws Dec 2020 #1
Don't see any old pics of her in a black tuxedo. But just Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #5
Someone should photoshop this photo of trump panader0 Dec 2020 #6
Panader0: You mean like this? SoonerPride Dec 2020 #33
LOL! panader0 Dec 2020 #35
keyboard clean up on Aisle 2! jmbar2 Dec 2020 #41
Shouldn't that be HIS hand? CaptYossarian Dec 2020 #52
only if it's aimed at an unsuspecting woman without her consent mnmoderatedem Dec 2020 #88
That ship has sailed in their marriage. CaptYossarian Dec 2020 #102
+11!!1! progressoid Dec 2020 #66
ROFL malaise Dec 2020 #80
Oh man MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #93
Her photo looks more recent PatSeg Dec 2020 #15
Mercy, what a goon. mahina Dec 2020 #29
Infectious all right! GopherGal Dec 2020 #46
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #90
What a horrible photo of a U.S. President... shameful secondwind Dec 2020 #30
melania looks.like the Warner brothers frog in that photo bedazzled Dec 2020 #36
Someone did this back then: George II Dec 2020 #47
Ah, I always KNEW he was one of these! nattyice Dec 2020 #57
OMG, that's hilarious! smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #76
Snort MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #95
I agree. He supposedly depressed and is obviously deranged Rice4VP Dec 2020 #99
Definitely and poorly retouched C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #2
They shaved some pounds and years off of both of them. redstatebluegirl Dec 2020 #7
They both look too small in that photoshop. secondwind Dec 2020 #3
Yes! Was just looking at stairs. They don't look unusually deep Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #13
I did a Google search yesterday PatSeg Dec 2020 #18
Oh wow. So they should have had his feet hanging off edge? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #19
Yes, as you said PatSeg Dec 2020 #24
JFK was 6'-0", the top of his head is almost even with that recessed molding next to the lower steps George II Dec 2020 #50
No. Angle has bigger effect on JFK, since it is wide angle lens and low and he is closer. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #61
Wrong. People not analyzing carefully. Compare level of heads on 2nd stair to wall embossing. Same. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #58
I don't know... I agree the photos aren't identical. But they are Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #67
Because he is the same person and not much time passed and he dyes his hair. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #70
I think possibly a closer examination PatSeg Dec 2020 #77
You keep stating that the Trumps are too small for that staircase. Old Crow Dec 2020 #79
Okay PatSeg Dec 2020 #81
Agree completely. Old Crow Dec 2020 #78
His fingers are in different positions between the two photos Roland99 Dec 2020 #4
Ew... You're right. Do you think it's from another snap they didn't publish? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #9
photographers routinely take several snaps of photos CatWoman Dec 2020 #21
I noticed that too. Chellee Dec 2020 #10
Loose clothing makes him look too cheap to hire a tailor Walleye Dec 2020 #12
There were undoubtedly PatSeg Dec 2020 #20
You have to admit some trump WH jobs would be fun. You Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #34
Ha, ha, ha!!! PatSeg Dec 2020 #74
Agreed - most photographers would probably take at least 30 in one minute. womanofthehills Dec 2020 #55
Oh yes PatSeg Dec 2020 #75
I don't think so JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #98
What is Melania wearing? Johnny2X2X Dec 2020 #8
Well, not sure about Hillary... She always wore pants. But get the Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #22
I remember the RWNJ's MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #96
It would just kill them to be honest about anything Walleye Dec 2020 #11
It doesn't look like the same picture of him to me. whopis01 Dec 2020 #14
It's totally photoshopped arlyellowdog Dec 2020 #16
;-{) Goonch Dec 2020 #17
+1. Covid badge? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #25
OMG! The "father loves daughter" portrait... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #26
What is with the hair shelf? xxqqqzme Dec 2020 #44
It's Trumps' war on Christmas. Can't be disturbed to stand for NCjack Dec 2020 #23
I suspect it has more to do with the war they have on each other. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #28
Yes... Can't be disturbed! Old pic but fitting Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #31
Um, that is Prince Charles frazzled Dec 2020 #27
This Xmas photo is so obviously photoshopped. Paper Roses Dec 2020 #32
Not the same photo. grantcart Dec 2020 #37
Yup... Perhaps a photo from same event. Too many similarities not to be. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #38
In Photoshop, you can remove fat under chin in so many ways womanofthehills Dec 2020 #60
They edited the fat out Diraven Dec 2020 #63
maybe not COVID but just massive pouting LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #39
Hand is more curled in Charles shot and smile bigger goofier in Christmas. LizBeth Dec 2020 #40
She definitely looks older than that these days. George II Dec 2020 #42
Let's overlay those two images and see if they match JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #43
Bravo!!! You nailed it. Same photo shoot for sure! No way Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #91
I think it is a double for her and photo shop of him appleannie1 Dec 2020 #45
I'll weigh in... Old Crow Dec 2020 #48
Agree. LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #59
I'll weigh in as I do stock photography for Getty Images womanofthehills Dec 2020 #64
Photoshopped how? Based on what? Old Crow Dec 2020 #71
My one cent...lol N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2020 #69
Yeah, I'm not seeing that. Old Crow Dec 2020 #72
It's not fricking PhotoShop, people! It's a real photo of a different person frazzled Dec 2020 #49
We are talking about the recent Christmas photo. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #92
Oh, I see ... but why the 89 responses? frazzled Dec 2020 #100
Like I said, shallow topic. It's a diversion from all the horror. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #101
Superimpose on image over the other JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #97
Anyone can do it arlyellowdog Dec 2020 #51
No wonder his hands are so tiny.... relayerbob Dec 2020 #53
It isn't photoshopped, he just does not know how to stand Tarc Dec 2020 #54
It'z the internetez...it must be true! cayugafalls Dec 2020 #56
Agreed. DU group-think seems to have set in about this topic, and it's a waste of time. (N/T) Old Crow Dec 2020 #73
I don't doubt that he had Covid, BUT... citizen blues Dec 2020 #62
All I can think about when I see the faraway photo.... louis-t Dec 2020 #65
Photoshop and not a real good one... N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2020 #68
this is an obvious photoshop but the two pictures aren't the same theyre different poses The Snitch Dec 2020 #82
Welcome to DU PatSeg Dec 2020 #83
i agree The Snitch Dec 2020 #84
And the few times we've seen him PatSeg Dec 2020 #85
Imagine if Michelle Obama had posed in a man's tux DesertRat Dec 2020 #86
These were the cardboard flats used to get ready for the card shot. The real deal shots were bad ... marble falls Dec 2020 #87
DUzy!!!!! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #94
Photoshlub Blue Owl Dec 2020 #89
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