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Ford_Prefect

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33. I accept your correction about what is and hasn't happened in Sweden. I stand corrected, thank you.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 08:50 PM
Jan 2021

My answer above was not intended to apply to Sweden beyond what I read in the Guardian and NYT. I regret that they were so ill informed and inaccurate.

As to the use of the term "Herd Immunity" I must beg to differ. I stand by my remarks there. They are specific to that term and the repeated misuse of it.

We have a broken national political system here which we are trying to repair, an almost non-existent official response to the scale of our pandemic (until this week), and a media who too often write whatever feeds the best and most click-worthy headline which the editors insist upon. As such the careless and often uninformed way such terms are thrown around mangle truth. It has no place in describing human situations at all. I understand the desire to reach such a condition but it is so far from accurate to apply it this way. It is like trying to use interface as a verb. Habit and lazy thinking may make its use common but they cannot change what it actually describes. You can't get there from here may be even more accurate.

Inoculation will help build a population with resistance, but that is not on a genetic level nor, as it seems, is it durable or transferable. So far 5 to 11 months seems a likely average depending on the person, the vaccine, the degree of exposure, and the range of virus mutation. As we go forward and more is known that could change and improve. Breakthroughs have been surprisingly early and one has reason to hope such revelations will continue. However we also note that world wide there have been markedly different reactions to COVID-19 infection both as to symptoms and severity.

Appropriate behavior and reasonable precautions could have reduced the impact and spread of COVID-19 dramatically. Without referring to the departed idiocracy by name, their attempts to profiteer their way through the pandemic as well as the complete lack of leadership skills at many levels of their corrupt administration and the wanton, unproven accusations of political manipulation by anyone who offered a different view of how severe and how large the threat was were almost as damaging as the Disease. Indeed they may have made it many times more difficult to respond to the entire situation, what with nearly 1/2 of Americans believing COVID is a hoax, that the efforts to control it through masks and social distancing are political theater, or that the vaccines are not to be trusted nor accepted, that Public servants, doctors and other health professionals and the federal government are in on the hoax and trying to control the minds and behavior of a large portion of our society against their will, we have a lot on our plate to thank the Useful Idiot (and Lord Rupert) for.

Moo snort Jan 2021 #1
Snort 😂 OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #11
Herd immunity is not a good strategy Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #2
Exactly. Better to err on side of caution OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #8
Yes it does, as does much of the behavior of many humans, elleng Jan 2021 #3
The irony of the term "herd immunity" is that it is very Darwinian Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #4
Thanks. I missed that irony because OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #6
Community immunity Donkees Jan 2021 #5
Better however it's an unproven theory OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #7
There is herd immunity for the flu Klaralven Jan 2021 #9
It's the Darwinian Phrase "Herd Immunity" OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #12
2a(1): a group of people usually having a common bond, e.g. a herd of tourists Klaralven Jan 2021 #34
Never herd that before. I avoid them. OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #36
Although usually used in the context of hoofed animals, it can refer to any collection of animals Klaralven Jan 2021 #37
And a lot in common with viruses OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #38
Give a virus a billion petri dishes and wait to see what comes out. Chainfire Jan 2021 #10
Exactly. But make sure to move them around OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #15
I don't object to the term "herd immunity." But let's talk about "dehumanizing". gulliver Jan 2021 #13
Very funny. Thank you 😂 OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #17
Herd Immunity is a debunked theory that never could apply to humans. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #14
Omg Thank you Ford_Prefect OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #20
no, not perfect by a long shot, that reply is flawed on multiple levels Celerity Jan 2021 #30
Vaccines work via producing herd immunity, & for the umpteenth time, we here in Sweden never had Celerity Jan 2021 #28
I accept your correction about what is and hasn't happened in Sweden. I stand corrected, thank you. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #33
Using vaccines to reach herd immunity is a basic, simple scientific concept, but do not take my word Celerity Jan 2021 #35
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2021 #16
Thank you ☺️ OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #18
People don't understand how it works. Media has failed to inform people how it works. KentuckyWoman Jan 2021 #19
Herd immunity is a well established scientific term. It does not apply exclusively to humans. beastie boy Jan 2021 #21
The WHO on herd immunity: Denzil_DC Jan 2021 #22
Awesome. Thank you. This is perfectly stated OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #23
It HAS been debased by misuse to the point where it probably isn't helpful to use it Denzil_DC Jan 2021 #25
Thank you again. OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #26
I like it. It's catchy and immediately understandable. ananda Jan 2021 #24
It is both, yes. However, it may be misleading OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #27
I think of it as a tongue-in-cheek slap in the face... ananda Jan 2021 #29
I was going to circle back to ask if your OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #31
Lol. ananda Jan 2021 #39
Mine landed on a bad sector last April OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #40
The word vaccine is derived from the Latin word for cow: Vacca LeftInTX Jan 2021 #32
Well that was udderly readiculous OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #42
Coronaviridae are RNA viruses. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2021 #41
Common Cold Caliman73 Jan 2021 #43
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