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Blue_true

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11. It is just naked gambling.
Wed Jan 27, 2021, 09:02 PM
Jan 2021

Many decades ago, when a person purchased a stock certificate and that was it, that person was investing in the company’s growth prospects.

But then derivatives came along. They are basically modeled after commodities contract mechanisms, where middle companies “hedge” against a negative change in the price or supply of an underlying commodity. At least for commodities, it makes sense, a biscuit making company, for example can manage it’s costs by buying wheat contracts at a price, allowing it to use that ingredient price for business costs planning purposes.

But for stocks, it is naked gambling. Big financial companies normally sell Call Options or Put Options, they get immediate income from the sale of the options and then hope that the stock price does not change in a way that they have to buy or sell the underlying stock at a lost.

You are right, there is a lot of insider information involved, also manipulation of a stock price by big financial companies, if they have sold a lot of options and the stock price is going against them.

There are two basic types of Options sales, a naked Options sale and a covered Options sale. In the case of a covered sale, the company owns the number of underlying shares that it sells the Options for. In a naked Options sale, the seller doesn’t own the stock, but “borrow” it from owners - for example, if you own 1000 shares of the Acme Toothpaste company, your Broker may sell options against your shares and “borrow” them from you - technically, you are supposed to be asked if the shares can be borrowed, but that may not happen - you would not be on the hook, the Broker would be if things go against it, BUT, if the Broker gets wiped out, you may have issues getting access to your shares, especially in the case of a bankruptcy by the Broker.

Yes. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2021 #1
As much as I like to see hedge fund guys get burned, this could go south in a bad way Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #2
👀 underpants Jan 2021 #3
The irrationality can only go so far... TheRealNorth Jan 2021 #4
It's a pyramid scheme, like all the others FakeNoose Jan 2021 #5
It's essentially turned into a well-organized 'pump-and-dump' scam. SeattleVet Jan 2021 #6
The irony of it all is that the people that began it are masquerading like they are "Robin Hood" TheRealNorth Jan 2021 #7
You don't get it. They (the Reddit folks) DON'T CARE that they lose money. Tommymac Jan 2021 #32
I think rather than PnD the Redditors see it as a way coti Jan 2021 #16
Would shorting Gamestop now make sense? Renew Deal Jan 2021 #21
It definitely could. nt coti Jan 2021 #22
Well the shorts came in pre-market and took GME down from 450 or so to the 270's. coti Jan 2021 #24
LOL, they halted it a minute in. nt coti Jan 2021 #25
they've already shorted more shares than there are available to sell fishwax Jan 2021 #23
That's called 'naked shorts' and it's illegal. SeattleVet Jan 2021 #27
Most of them aren't trying to get rich Ex Lurker Jan 2021 #30
i saw a news report on this and couldn't understand it....... Takket Jan 2021 #8
It is just naked gambling. Blue_true Jan 2021 #11
You're also right that the market is basically gambling coti Jan 2021 #14
With the mathematical algorithms that the big players employ, all Blue_true Jan 2021 #28
The Reddits did it to shine the light on Hedge Fund Scumbaggery. Tommymac Jan 2021 #33
Did I hear right, that hedgfunds can trade after market hours? sarcasmo Jan 2021 #34
I was under the impression that the Hedge Funds would SELL Blue_true Jan 2021 #9
I believe that so many of the Independent Redditt traders bought so many put options that sagesnow Jan 2021 #12
You're correct. nt coti Jan 2021 #13
Proof positive that a blind squirrel can find an acorn. Blue_true Jan 2021 #29
Yep. The hedge fund guys got out-hustled by a subreddit thread, and now they're all butthurt. Volaris Jan 2021 #10
That's it - Wall Street and investment banks have been fucking this country for decades . . . . hatrack Jan 2021 #18
There it is! Hugin Jan 2021 #20
It's up $135 this morning -pre market superpatriotman Jan 2021 #15
Might be fun to watch when the market opens. coti Jan 2021 #17
Dang. I sold my AAL stock last week Generic Brad Jan 2021 #31
This is the overall problem with the stock market and the way companies are managed Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #19
This short-sell stuff is part of the 2008 market crash MissMillie Jan 2021 #26
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