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Hortensis

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54. I also want many voices to once again speak about how doing what's right
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 03:38 PM
Feb 2021

is also what's best for all of us. But I think that's what Biden's been doing all along. I know when he decided to run he came in as a fresh breeze of principle.

The rest of the field was running on things they were told voters wanted and bashing each other over who could provide the best. If polling had said that was canned peas, they'd have been promising to provide better and cheaper canned peas and trying to outdo each other with promises of pull-off lids and no GMOs.

I think you're really onto something with fear of criticism and what hostiles would be able to turn into weapons of destruction.

That reminded me, though, of incompetent/possibly sabotaging polling as a likely factor. I remember 2010 when it seemed like almost every Democrat ran scared on not sticking his head up because polls said that was the best way to hold onto his position in the post-2008 reactionary storm. Supposedly that was what we voters wanted of them. I didn't understand. What had happened to us Democrats that we reportedly had little laundry lists of needs but no real dreams or aspirations, much less wanted to build on electing Obama and continuing the fight for big advances? Later, everyone, including political columnists and the polling industry, were "surprised" at the completely unforeseen excitement and flood of mainstream enthusiasm for Elizabeth Warren's calls for big, bold actions. And of course the broad wave of support for her to run for president.

Polling completely, completely failed to reveal that most Democratic voters really wanted strong, affirmative action. And polling questions and analysis had failed to reveal us for years. In retrospect it seems obvious that that election industry, like every other, was sabotaging Democrats, however and why it came about. We knew most MSM were biased toward electing Republicans but didn't look hard at a crucial industry that supplied them and candidates, and ourselves, with critical information about us.

So I believe we're on the mend but still recovering from being told for years that as a party we weren't who we thought we were and didn't really believe in what we once did, with great damage to our own convictions and strength of purpose. And, bringing us back to your thoughts, to the ability of pols to talk about those to us.

After all, if you ask any 5 Democrats what principles they believe in, chances are excellent all 5 won't be able to think of even one without prompting. "Oh, yeah. Equality. Sure." Then they'll wait to be asked the real, typical polling questions, such as what they want in healthcare for themselves, and if black about social justice for themselves.

Mary Trump tweet! [View all] Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 OP
Strategery elleng Feb 2021 #1
:) Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #32
Mary does have a point. triron Feb 2021 #37
I hate to say this but that is what I have been wondering. Doreen Feb 2021 #2
You and 166k people who liked. :) Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #5
I love you Mary..but please don't say that! It isn't true and only furthers the qgop agenda Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #3
The way SHE feels isn't true? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #7
Agreed, I feel the same way. Should we hide how we feel? Magoo48 Feb 2021 #16
I don't guess Mary was asking WHY she felt that way - just Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #26
I would like to hear much more from her. She knows tyrant Don pretty well. triron Feb 2021 #38
Exactly, Kasper.. We have the power.. Cha Feb 2021 #13
It's not true? Polybius Feb 2021 #53
Becsuse Democrats are actually about helping people JI7 Feb 2021 #4
Good answer - makes sense. That explains why it feels that way.. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #6
Yes. And because they will use any immoral, unethical moonscape Feb 2021 #9
Agree mostly-but religion is also a huge factor nam78_two Feb 2021 #19
Black and Hispanic people are more religious than white people in the US JI7 Feb 2021 #21
Because the Constitution is still set up to preserve White supremacy. RandySF Feb 2021 #8
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #10
Moderates were elected by Moderates . And without the moderates things would be even worse. This JI7 Feb 2021 #11
Bull.. Please Stop Bashing Democrats.. Cha Feb 2021 #12
It feels that way because we've been sold only one brand of power. ariadne0614 Feb 2021 #14
+1000 llmart Feb 2021 #22
Well said. nt crickets Feb 2021 #41
Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone. n/t ariadne0614 Feb 2021 #43
We are not unscrupulous assholes Soxfan58 Feb 2021 #15
I have two dogs (bear with me) Aussie105 Feb 2021 #17
I keep feeling the same way. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #18
Another perspective ananda Feb 2021 #20
"That's some catch, that Catch-22." Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #23
OMG I often ask the same question Sunsky Feb 2021 #24
Because that's what the media wants you to feel maxrandb Feb 2021 #25
To me the feeling is automatic and has nothing to do with the media. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #31
TY for the Reality Check, maxrandb Cha Feb 2021 #40
I tend to agree with her Bettie Feb 2021 #27
Bottom line is that Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #29
I don't necessarily agree. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #28
Same here. R's are growling and hissing and complaining. theneworiginal Feb 2021 #30
President Biden bdamomma Feb 2021 #36
The main problem is that Dems follow the rules and norms. repubs tend not to... Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #33
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #39
K&R, one side has a coordinated national messaging machine the other does not uponit7771 Feb 2021 #34
exactly bdamomma Feb 2021 #35
Because of warped views like that? At that, I'm sure Hortensis Feb 2021 #42
Can you explain that further H? Think *what you're saying Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #45
Morning, Laura. I was just being exasperated at the usual Hortensis Feb 2021 #47
In my mind, this 'feeling' that Mary speaks about doesn't involve adopting 'wrecking ball' or Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #48
Sure. We should invent methods that have the punch and force Hortensis Feb 2021 #49
Totally agree. But I guess my only point is the opinion Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #50
Laura, it's not that you're not right to a degree, but... Hortensis Feb 2021 #51
Thanks for all that! I had never even thought about Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #52
I also want many voices to once again speak about how doing what's right Hortensis Feb 2021 #54
Biden does not owe these I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2021 #44
Wonder what Biden thinks, I mean deep inside his head about Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #46
Because it's easier to block than it is to progress...nt SidDithers Feb 2021 #55
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