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Celerity

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16. once again you are pushing the same flawed angle (in regards to a mufti-year phase-in that Sanders
Sun Mar 7, 2021, 08:49 AM
Mar 2021

has always used in his wage increase bills)

You tried the same thing on another thread and were exposed for a false framing (trying to say this latest 2021 bill's multi-year phase-in is some new stance, and thus all of a sudden now Sander is ok with incrementalism). IMHO you were clearly trying to imply he is a hypocrite or something something, and using erroneous info/framings to do so.

Now you try that same factually-challenged gambit again, knowing it is a flawed positing as the statement itself about his wage increase bills is simply not true.

It really is a bad look to wilfully trot out the same false frame again, especially after you were already shown that what you said is not factually true. It is also very divisive and hardy is conducive to any sort of big tent paradigm that simply has to be our Party coalition's goal if we are to maintain a majority in Congress.

You and others love to weaponise the term 'purity test' (you just tossed it out yet again in the very post I am replying too) and try to slate the left quarter to third of the party with it ad nauseum, but you are the ones who actually have the purity test stratagem out and about for a good sabre rattle far more often, ie. nothing to left of some utterly arbitrary and ambiguous ideological line that you yourselves draw is allowed to pass without having multiple whacks taken at it, ofttimes with very problematic framings and incorrect info.

This isn't Centre-Left/Centrist/Moderate Conservative-Only Democratic Underground the last time I checked, no matter how much some seem to want it as such. Alienate the left quarter to a third of our Party and watch the Congressional majorities and POTUS go poof.

It is so ironic that I am not even in the Sanderite sphere when it comes to American politics (I had the very first post in the Buttigieg group almost 2 years ago), but I truly feel the need to defend that part of our party against unfair attacks (on the elected members).

I am NOT going to defend non Dem radical bomb-throwers like many in the 'Red Rose' Twitter spheres, or open (and actual) socialist (and even containing some real Trotskyite and Stalinist communist elements) orgs like the DSA and those at Jacobin Magazine, Current Affairs, etc etc., but I also will not constantly try to link elected Dems with every single shitty word that comes out of those groups' mouths. I am all about maintaining the big tent coalition, without which, the Rethugs will run riot and turn America in a true fascist hellscape.


Sanders' wage increase bills have been used incremental phase-ins for decades now


Here is one from 2 years ago.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/150







and one from 20 years ago (h/t to Donkees)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15189061

Rep. Sanders H.R.2812 - Minimum Wage Restoration Act 2001

Rep. Sanders H.R.2812 - Minimum Wage Restoration Act 2001
Sponsor: Rep. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT-At Large] (Introduced 08/02/2001)
Committees: House - Education and the Workforce
H.R.2812 - Minimum Wage Restoration Act

Minimum Wage Restoration Act - Amends the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to increase the minimum wage (currently $5.15 per hour): (1) to $6.65, for 2002; (2) to $8.15, for 2003; and (3) by indexing to the cost of living, in the same manner as benefits are indexed under the Social Security Act, for 2004 and thereafter.

(Just one example)
Focus on Passing it at the state level. JI7 Mar 2021 #1
Good idea jimfields33 Mar 2021 #30
that works for states with initiatives and/or a real possibility of electing a Dem lege dsc Mar 2021 #37
+1 Kaleva Mar 2021 #41
WHat do you mean mollify bernie and aoc crowd ? JI7 Mar 2021 #2
The Senate won't pass what they passed in the House Wanderlust988 Mar 2021 #4
Different rules and a thinner majority in the Senate. n/t Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #5
Ask Sinema. Minimum wage in her state is 12 bucks leftstreet Mar 2021 #3
Manchin already said he'd vote for $11/hr Wanderlust988 Mar 2021 #6
Did they submit any bill amendments? leftstreet Mar 2021 #7
$15 IS the compromise wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #8
It's not tied to inflation Wanderlust988 Mar 2021 #9
Compromising on $15 is even more dangerous wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #10
You make my point...it's always about the next election Wanderlust988 Mar 2021 #12
"Perfect be the enemy of the good" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #13
The ACA did help a lot of people dansolo Mar 2021 #42
What progressive rallied against the ACA? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #43
LOL! NurseJackie Mar 2021 #19
"Keeping campaign promises is for idiots" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #32
LOL NurseJackie Mar 2021 #33
LOL@Jim Clyburn wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #34
Guess again. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #38
Already got it right wellst0nev0ter Mar 2021 #39
Wrong. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #40
Not really, unless we either flush the filibuster (not going to happen) OR modify the filibuster Celerity Mar 2021 #11
All or nothing $15 magic number purity test in the past; incrementalism okay now. betsuni Mar 2021 #14
once again you are pushing the same flawed angle (in regards to a mufti-year phase-in that Sanders Celerity Mar 2021 #16
No. betsuni Mar 2021 #21
Just WHITT Mar 2021 #15
even if all Dems agree, we still may have to overcome a potential Rethug filibuster, as they are Celerity Mar 2021 #17
We just passed a big defense bill in December. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #23
We just passed a big defense bill in December. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #24
Yes TheFarseer Mar 2021 #18
No Republicans will vote for the minimum and give Democrats any credit. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #25
This feels like a good time to remind everyone that @RepTerriSewell introduced a minimum wage bill.. NurseJackie Mar 2021 #20
No, we don't have 60 votes. It can't be done in reconciliation. Thus, it can't be done...Sen. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #22
The solution is simple. Get a Representative to introduce a bill and then get a Senator.... George II Mar 2021 #26
Sure; everyone who wants a $15/hr minimum wage gets it gratuitous Mar 2021 #27
Yes KentuckyWoman Mar 2021 #28
that's is an even more aggressive phase-in slope than the House bill provisions that were removed Celerity Mar 2021 #29
I wonder if the best possible minimum wage might be tied to cost of living in the state karynnj Mar 2021 #31
The law passed by Florida voters does just that once the wage hits $15 Blue_true Mar 2021 #36
He is an ass in a lot of ways. Blue_true Mar 2021 #35
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