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Baitball Blogger

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Wed Mar 24, 2021, 11:54 AM Mar 2021

Why I think people leave Florida after five years -- not because of the hurricanes. A HOA story [View all]

My city is definitely experiencing some kind of power issue in City Hall. I heard the Mayor resigned, which might not be such a great loss because he was pro-development. But, when something this big happens in City Hall, I tend to wonder how it's going to affect the rest of us, since everything in this community comes down to currying support from the cronies in order to legitimize political machinations. That means giving those cronies an opportunity to get something they desire, that they can't get through legal channels. In my HOA's case, back in the nineties, it came down to looking the other way as the cronies took over our Association common grounds. This is the reason I put up security cameras. It's times when the network is trying to gather support, that everything goes haywire.

Back in the nineties there were private meetings held with the presidents of all the Associations in our Master Planned Development. Back then, there were at least two dozen private Associations under the same P.U.D. One Master HOA claimed that they were the umbrella protection over all of them, ALTHOUGH, the documents do not support their claim. The Master HOA became a political necessity because of the way this County operates. People do need protection against the County government's overreaches. But what the board of the Master HOA decides to do with that power, usually comes down to the integrity of each member that serves on that board. Sadly, some have Napoleon complexes.

Back in the nineties, the Master HOA board did not operate under the laws of Florida. Their meetings were usually private, secretive and if they couldn't pull in a president in time to curry support for one of their decisions, they would tap one of the cronies who lived in our developments. That was true, especially if they had to rely on phone calls to build consensus for one of their ill-advised decisions.

Now, I don't give this city high marks for following best practices when it came to land-development, but the response by the civilians was worse. It was like the powers-that-be allowed them to walk into a legal quagmire, and in the end they were forced to accept Settlement Agreement terms that the then president of the Master HOA was unable to even read. He was only allowed to initial the bottom of the pages. It was such a clusterfuck of legal process. I didn't know it then, but we were deep in a rabbit hole.

What a mess. But it was the kind of experience that allows me to say without equivocation, that if newcomers to Florida leave this state after a five year stay, it's not because of the hurricanes. It's because of the community hostilities that occur when small circles of power try to follow their own private agendas, and try to keep things secret. That is the true hidden monster to tackle in Central Florida. Until we do, this place will never be a welcoming place for decent people.

So, anyways. My cameras. Because of my experiences from the nineties, the one thing I do look for is when neighbors sneak out at the same time in the early morning hours, contrary to their usual habits. It's something I look for because this is how the good buddies operated in the nineties. Breakfast meetings. And this morning, two of the usual suspects got up early and departed at exactly the same time, contrary to their usual habits. These are two people who do not socialize with each other, though they were each one degree away from people who were behind the clusterfuck of the nineties. The last time something similar to this happened, the golfcourse brought in a heavy machinery to fill in holes in the area behind my house that were probably dug up by gopher turtles, and then they proceeded to raze the last ten feet of my property, destroying my plants! So I have a legitimate concern, wondering what is going to happen next.

Add to that, that there has been a lot of interest in the property lines along the golfcourse. More than usual, golfcarts are riding the property lines along our homes. And the children of the well-connected in this community, are taking great liberties with the fairways. Something I keep track of, because our children were chastised for getting near it.

Good-buddy networks make Florida suck. But certainly give me something to write about.

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HOAs serve a purpose. They work best in association with an attorney/consultant org. brush Mar 2021 #1
Just curious, Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #3
What you describe happens a lot...old cars in disrepair. brush Mar 2021 #4
Oh god, spare me the "property values" crowd. hunter Mar 2021 #30
Preach it Piasladic Mar 2021 #34
What's wrong with not wanting the value of your house to go down? brush Mar 2021 #40
There's a long history of racism in the U.S.A. hunter Mar 2021 #46
I know all about that. I know I'll have to stage the house without... brush Mar 2021 #47
Thank you for bringing up this important point. shrike3 Mar 2021 #50
Common thing where I live, too. n/t shrike3 Mar 2021 #8
I once believed in lawyers. Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #5
It works for us here. The consultant group we have works with several... brush Mar 2021 #9
What's wrong with daycare? Wouldn't bother me. shrike3 Mar 2021 #7
Try living next to one SoCalNative Mar 2021 #10
I live next to one... three doors up the street. Tracer Mar 2021 #12
I've lived in all kinds of situations. As long as I can sleep at night, I don't care. shrike3 Mar 2021 #48
I have no problems with park playgrounds SoCalNative Mar 2021 #51
One recourse for you would be going to the town. I used to be a municipal reporter. shrike3 Mar 2021 #52
Never again for me fescuerescue Mar 2021 #28
It depends. If you live in an established neighborhood where... brush Mar 2021 #32
HOA's don't stop bad things from happening fescuerescue Mar 2021 #35
They don't happen again though if you get fined. brush Mar 2021 #39
That's not been my experience fescuerescue Mar 2021 #41
Guess it depends where you live. Sorry you've had bad experiences. brush Mar 2021 #43
Totally agree. Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #2
Thank you. Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #6
My friend and I called her HOA the "Neighborhood Nazis." Ka-Dinh Oy Mar 2021 #11
It happened to my friend in another development. Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #14
They started that crap right after her husband died. Ka-Dinh Oy Mar 2021 #20
It depends on the judge. When I served on the board the attorney told us that Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #23
We live I Washington State so rules/laws might be different Ka-Dinh Oy Mar 2021 #26
Sounds typical fescuerescue Mar 2021 #42
Which is a good reason why people prefer to move elsewhere -- out of state. Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #45
Wow, there are some horrible human beings out there. CentralMass Mar 2021 #25
If you don't pay your dues, they can do that. You have to stay on top of things. brush Mar 2021 #33
Our HOA is pretty good jimfields33 Mar 2021 #13
As long as they're fair, and not subjective. Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #15
I definitely know that could happen jimfields33 Mar 2021 #17
I would never buy a home in an area that required HOA membership MissB Mar 2021 #16
I am glad you found a decent neighborhood without HOA. jimfields33 Mar 2021 #18
Why live in a development governed by an HOA? PJMcK Mar 2021 #19
Unfortunately, a condo needs an HOA of some sort fescuerescue Mar 2021 #44
Lots move there to file bankruptcy, don't they? Captain Zero Mar 2021 #21
Thankfully New England has LOTs of homes without HOAs NutmegYankee Mar 2021 #22
If I didn't know better, I would say that HOA's are the rule in Florida Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #24
That is probably true. The North doesn't have much HOA law. NutmegYankee Mar 2021 #27
I hope my testimonial of living in a HOA will provide necessary change to the system. Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #29
I lived in NY in Westchester county in a heighborhood of nice Colonials... brush Mar 2021 #36
My mother-in-law lived in a small group of twin home townhomes. MineralMan Mar 2021 #31
Good for you. It's always good to see opportunities open up in these closed communities. Baitball Blogger Mar 2021 #37
Thanks. It was my pleasure to help that happen. MineralMan Mar 2021 #38
Thankfully my own HOA is not too bad. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2021 #49
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