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Deminpenn

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Thu Jun 24, 2021, 06:32 AM

Jun 2021

The umpteenth time I've read or heard this excuse. What "cost" Dems seats was the amazing ability of Donald Trump to turn out his own voters, even more than in 2016. Add in the "Biden Republicans" like Bill Kristol who came out in droves, voted for Biden, but were not inclined to vote for other Dems and you have a perfect storm for down ballot losses.

As stated above, the decision of Dems not to canvass in person also played a role.

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Democratic Whip James Clyburn: 'Defund the police' cost Democrats seats [View all] LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 OP

Not true ColinC Jun 2021 #1

That is not true...it cost us seats and will again if we are not careful. Demsrule86 Jun 2021 #24

+1 Deminpenn Jun 2021 #29

Exactly right ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #32

Both of these things can be true genxlib Jun 2021 #41

Generally agree. The "fear" voters were the "usual suspect" R voters Deminpenn Jun 2021 #50

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #54

I imagine those people would have voted for trump anyways ColinC Jun 2021 #76

Excuse me! Rep James Clyburn does NOT lie!! Cha Jun 2021 #90

You don't need to lie to be wrong. ColinC Jun 2021 #97

Rep James Clyburn knows what he's talking about. Cha Jun 2021 #144

Generally speaking yes. Although I think he is wrong on this particular point ColinC Jun 2021 #147

I think Rep Clyburn is Dead On Now.. he wants to WIN Cha Jun 2021 #148

I agree with his intentions. ColinC Jun 2021 #149

Wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #199

Clyburn and other top Dems report what our party polls revealed, Hortensis Jun 2021 #145

And the hypocrisy of TFC blaming mail in voting Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #193

And "Critical Race Theory" is going to cost us seats in 2022... regnaD kciN Jun 2021 #2

Should Democrats get in front of it and denounce it? leftstreet Jun 2021 #3

What needs to be actively denounced is Republican and conservative media lying about us JHB Jun 2021 #21

This, this this. n/t ms liberty Jun 2021 #23

Yes, thank you. GoCubsGo Jun 2021 #42

Democrats have SO many republiQan bad acts that we could be pounding in the media, all Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #33

Spot on! You would think with all the big money Hollywood types Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #198

"Critical Race Theory" isn't a slogan StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #25

It WAS a discipline of academic study. It's a slogan now. Sadly. Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #35

It's STILL a discipline of academic study StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #40

Yes, of course it is. And of course it is a necessary discipline. And of course it will continue, Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #44

We have no control over the meanings that gullible people are convinced to believe StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #46

This should be the easiest honking culture war to win wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #64

Agree. And we are talking about the masses who Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #200

The Defund slogan does not KT2000 Jun 2021 #4

The DCCC Post Mortem agrees and disagrees with the notion DTP hurt down ballots as much uponit7771 Jun 2021 #18

DTP seems to have played KT2000 Jun 2021 #49

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #51

This analysis is out of date wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #65

Did you even read this article? I would encourage you to read the material you post LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #86

All the reasons Democrats say they did poorly down ballot LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #55

+1 betsuni Jun 2021 #60

:"Some of these woke people need to take a nap." Cha Jul 2021 #216

"We need better messaging and GOTV and not blame a slogan...." George II Jun 2021 #62

When trumpanzees say "Squirrel!" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #66

I guess I'm missing something. By the way, the NRCC is already campaigning on this: George II Jun 2021 #69

And you're going on the defensive on this? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #71

There you go, unwarranted "accusations". I'm not defensive, it seems you're more defensive than I... George II Jun 2021 #74

"Defund" Is often blamed on the left wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #77

Your "evidence" is more like your opinion. There's been lots of evidence that DTP did cost seats.... George II Jun 2021 #81

Because they literally have nothing else to run on wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #82

Can I tell you a secret? It's June 2021, I'm not campaigning for anything. But I trust Clyburn's... George II Jun 2021 #83

I'm not the one relitigating 2020 wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #84

So now you're bashing Congressman Clyburn - why do you have a problem with him? George II Jun 2021 #85

I didn't say anything about Clyburn wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #103

The base of the Democratic party is women mcar Jun 2021 #123

There you go again, giving oxygen to a goop talking point wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #127

The base of the Democratic Party is women of color. betsuni Jun 2021 #178

No it is NOT "a waste of time" to point out the FACTS.. Cha Jul 2021 #217

Democrats lost a number of races due to this slogan LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #218

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #187

What's moronic is the right wing media bias. Good r slogans, bad d slogans unblock Jun 2021 #5

80 years old he has seen a lot and knows better... RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2021 #6

Yeah, he's 80, and seen a lot, and knows better... Captain Stern Jun 2021 #26

My grandmother once said: "The longer I live the more I believe age doesn't mean more wisdom." AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #80

Taht's not necessarily true foe everybody.. Cha Jun 2021 #91

K&R betsuni Jun 2021 #7

A number of DUers said that when the phrase... Duppers Jun 2021 #8

They need the help of GOP pollster Frank Luntz, who messaged Gingrich's "Contract with America." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2021 #9

"Defund the Police" wasn't a slogan adopted by any candidate or the party StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #27

"Restructure Public Services"... Duppers Jun 2021 #31

The only thing Luntz can do for us is to speak up about Republican "stampede politics"... JHB Jun 2021 #45

Not as many seats as corporate centrism, but keep playing dumb n/t station agent Jun 2021 #10

"Not as many seats as corporate centrism, but keep playing dumb" betsuni Jun 2021 #11

Lol. Probably that someone's candidate wasn't crowned. Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #34

Defund the Police... Mike Nelson Jun 2021 #12

So is Biden Hates Beef and Dems Weak On Crime which have popped up and dems not uponit7771 Jun 2021 #16

New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #53

Weak excuse RandiFan1290 Jun 2021 #13

We're calling Clyburn a "snowflake moderate" now? FBaggins Jun 2021 #17

Talking about the 'moderate' voters RandiFan1290 Jun 2021 #19

You're missing a few dots in that connection FBaggins Jun 2021 #22

Thank you. StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #28

I'm not sure that House majority whip is "more powerful" than senator FBaggins Jun 2021 #14

DCCC Post Mortem disagrees, I respect Clyburn but they're going off opinions vs fact ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #15

No, MAGA voters came out because their hero was Deminpenn Jun 2021 #30

I'm agreeing with DTP not being a motivating factor, 2nd dem report states inadequate dem ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #38

The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #52

You have misquoted this and other studies LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #56

Doug Schoen's bio wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #68

Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #20

They don't think Clyburn is doing enough for his community? Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #36

My impression was that they agreed with him and his "improved" message Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #37

This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #190

There's more than getting one's own party motivated, despite what some insist on. empedocles Jun 2021 #39

Inadequate Dem Brand is what hurt *NOT* Defund Police!! 2nd Dem 2020 Report to say so. https://www.n Fullduplexxx Jun 2021 #43

Crime being up 40%, combined with the off cycle election trends Calista241 Jun 2021 #47

'Careful' is the key word. 'Defund' is not careful. empedocles Jun 2021 #48

Those who refuse to listen to a wise man will regret it. GulfCoast66 Jun 2021 #57

Same here LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #58

Is there any evidence for this? budkin Jun 2021 #59

None wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #70

Are you calling Rep James Clyburn a liar? Cha Jun 2021 #92

Thank you !!!! Fact biased people need data not anecdote uponit7771 Jun 2021 #98

Clyburn and James Carville know what it takes for Dems to win. oasis Jun 2021 #61

So do Pres Obama & Pres Biden, who came out & said NO.. Cha Jun 2021 #93

GOP Launches Ads Highlighting 'Defund The Police' To Target Vulnerable 2022 Dems LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #63

About "The Political Insider" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #73

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #87

This person has posted right-wing sources and tropes before uponit7771 Jun 2021 #99

Yes, as examples that the right wing IS using Defund the Police and other slogans against us. George II Jun 2021 #101

No, in the OP I started this person posted the winger trope about the squad pushing DTP hard uponit7771 Jun 2021 #104

There is, here's one example: George II Jun 2021 #106

AOC is not the whole squad and even Fox News admit it they didn't spend too much money on the issue uponit7771 Jun 2021 #107

It's from The Hill and it uses exact word for word quotes. George II Jun 2021 #108

Irrelevant to my point she's not "the squad" she's a member and there's no proof that the squad uponit7771 Jun 2021 #112

Once again, her own words and The Hill are not right wing sources. I guess at this point we need.... George II Jun 2021 #114

Still NOT proof of the right wing claim you and that poster are proffering, DM me when you get one uponit7771 Jun 2021 #116

I'm afraid that no matter what I come up with you'd find fault with it, so I won't bother looking. George II Jun 2021 #142

You have not sourced that the squad push DTP hard, not even close uponit7771 Jun 2021 #143

I gave you sources to two of the six. There are dozens more, easy to find. Have at it. George II Jun 2021 #146

I saw GOP PAC ads featuring members of the squad pushing defund the police LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #177

Strange that their own words are ignored. Why? betsuni Jun 2021 #179

I'm amazed people are still insisting this didn't exist. betsuni Jun 2021 #109

No one said it didn't exits just 1. DTP wasn't part of dem platform, 2. it wasn't the game changer uponit7771 Jun 2021 #115

Justice Democrats supported representatives did support it. They said so. betsuni Jun 2021 #118

Did a google search on "justice democrats supported defund the police" and couldn't find but one uponit7771 Jun 2021 #122

Some members of The Squad are Justice Democrats supported representatives who support DTP. betsuni Jun 2021 #124

Correct, the whole squad did not push DTP hard as a couple of posters on DU are trying to say... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #131

I am on the Just Us Democrat email list LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #175

This is from the poster who claimed that DNC autopsy supported his bogus claims LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #176

The premise is that the right wing is using "Defund the police" against us Democrats.... George II Jun 2021 #100

You are wasting your time LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #174

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #173

Opposition to DTP should be added to the platform and made a part of the Dem brand. gulliver Jun 2021 #67

Goops are experts at getting people pissed off at imaginary shit wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #75

Agreed and the members of the squad need to be told to stop pushing this stupid slogan LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #89

Laura Ingraham just said "defund the military." Where are the Democrats screaming? AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #72

Crickets from Clyburn wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #78

Thank you. My point exactly. AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #79

Thank you for the laughs LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #88

Trump was 44,000 votes away from being re-elected wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #105

Okay, so what exactly SHOULD that "better message" be, specifically? George II Jun 2021 #111

"Don't Give Oxygen To Right-wing Talking Points" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #113

That's not a "message". You expect Democrats across the country to merely run ads saying.... George II Jun 2021 #117

Yep, that's exactly what I said, ace wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #119

Running ads saying that would do absolutely no good whatsoever, "ace". 90% or more wouldn't even.... George II Jun 2021 #132

Absolute word salad wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #133

Back atcha, "ace". George II Jun 2021 #134

You don't know what "word salad" means wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #135

Do you? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #153

So it is okay for the GOP to run a ton of ads featuring the Squad and the Defund the Police slogan? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #162

You run attack ads of your own wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #163

But the GOP does not have well known democrats out providing ready made quotes to be use in ads LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #166

Before I go, this is what your report says: wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #168

Most Democrats are not stupid and so they do not support the moronic "defund the police" slogan LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #170

I trust President Biden LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #219

Democrats have begun advocating more police funding. LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #188

Republican voters do not vote Republican because Democrats don't have good messaging betsuni Jun 2021 #121

Wrong. Clinton ran more advocacy ads than attack ads. wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #126

No, I said she was criticized, not that she actually did run too many attack ads. betsuni Jun 2021 #128

Then the criticism is wrong wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #129

There was a lot of "You can't just be the I'm-not-Trump" party or the "I'm not as bad as Trump, betsuni Jun 2021 #130

I am glad that you read the Washington Post article that I posted LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #154

Yes, you completely flubbed this part wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #159

The Autopsy does not support your wrong claims LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #164

Okay stop right there wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #165

Reread you posts and the other posts on this thread LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #167

You are the poster who lied and claimed that the autopsy superseded all polling posted LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #169

Can there be anything more condescending... tonedevil Jun 2021 #136

There is a large difference between being a computer commando and working in real campaigns LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #152

I was wrong... tonedevil Jun 2021 #156

So you are not going to go out and work on campaigns in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #157

Did you think... tonedevil Jun 2021 #158

I live in the real world where we work to elect candidates LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #161

"Crickets from Clyburn"? You want Clyburn to address every single comment from crackpots on... George II Jun 2021 #110

Goops pounce on and amplify every single perceived outrage wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #120

Defund the police is a very stupid slogan LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #194

This amuses me-Clyburn was right on this slogan LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #196

"Slogan good": that's it. betsuni Jun 2021 #197

I don't give a shit what that sociopathic Cha Jun 2021 #94

that sociopathic person will energize people to go to the polls AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #96

Laura Ingraham? She's going to energize people to go to the polls? George II Jun 2021 #137

Fox News? AM Radio show. AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #140

What Eric Adams Shares With Joe Biden LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #95

Adams is a Brooklyn machine politician who won with a 32% mandate wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #139

"Brooklyn machine"..... George II Jun 2021 #160

OMG! That really *IS* hysterical! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #211

Do you ever tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #184

Eric Adams Has proven the defund police movement has died off NurseJackie Jul 2021 #213

Defund the Police slogan lost again LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #204

Post removed Post removed Jul 2021 #210

"Moderates can win, extremes can't" ... so true. So very true! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #212

Rt TY! I don't know about Pres Cha Jul 2021 #214

imho it was a bs idea from the start... Maxheader Jun 2021 #102

Because the police have shown themselves... tonedevil Jul 2021 #205

Are you a responsible custodian.? Maxheader Jul 2021 #207

That sounds great... tonedevil Jul 2021 #209

And today on Tiffany Cross's show mcar Jun 2021 #125

I had that on in the background while I did other things. I don't know why people are denying... George II Jun 2021 #138

In the meantime, it is the Rs who are actually defunding the police mcar Jun 2021 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jun 2021 #150

At the Turner Town Hall this afternoon, Killer Mike called James Clyburn "incredibly stupid".... George II Jun 2021 #151

Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #155

The same gun nut, Killer Mike, who would throw his kids out if oasis Jun 2021 #171

+1 betsuni Jun 2021 #180

This is very offensive LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #185

This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #192

Defund the Police is a great way to help the GOP win races they should not win LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #172

How else is a city, town, etc. going whistler162 Jun 2021 #181

That is probably correct. However, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2021 #182

It hurt here in KCMO. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2021 #183

House passes George Floyd Act as Democrats avoid 'defund the police' clash LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #186

The continuing GOP fiction that President Biden supports defunding police LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #189

Bookmarked for when people here rant about how the Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #191

What? betsuni Jun 2021 #195

Sorry, guess that was obscure. Just meant Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #201

& FACT CHECK: Reverend Warnock Does Not Support Defunding The Police Cha Jun 2021 #202

Rejecting defund the police helped Joe win LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #203

I suspect that is true--- but what I think may have cost more was DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #206

True ChrisF1961 Jul 2021 #208

Jim Clyburn explained how defund the police hurt Democratic candidates LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #215