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cadoman

(792 posts)
28. honestly that's misrepresenting what those papers state
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 02:20 AM
Jul 2021

The vaccine induced antibody response is more effective within the RBD but natural immunity works more broadly on other parts of the spike protein.

It's not a case of one or the other being better (necessarily). If a variation of the virus happens to operate more through the RBD, then vaccine induced antibodies would likely work better.

But if the variation of the virus didn't operate as much through RBD, it's likely natural immunity would work better.

Here are the underlying papers. Note the verbiage very carefully as it's very subtle. Compare what you bolded, which specifically mentions the RBD part of the spike protein.

"Greaney et al. demonstrated that neutralizing antibodies elicited by immunization with the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine were more focused to the RBD than those elicited by natural infection. However, vaccination-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of epitopes within the RBD than infection-elicited antibodies. "

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/13/600/eabi9915

Do you see the difference? It's confusing but a truthful argument can be made for either natural immunity or vaccine immunity being more effective--depending on how the spike protein mutates!

From the same blogger you linked to, here is another article describing how natural immunity targets two other parts of the spike protein called the N-terminal domain (NTD) and the S2 subunit.

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/05/18/human-antibodies-target-many-parts-of-coronavirus-spike-protein/

Um, isn't that true ... for everything? PSPS Jul 2021 #1
Florida looks like they're trying to be first in the nation at this. nt IronLionZion Jul 2021 #4
So does this now mean that Florida is officially "America's petri dish"? bullwinkle428 Jul 2021 #2
Not if the virus mutates again. gab13by13 Jul 2021 #3
I believe Republicans are dangerous IronLionZion Jul 2021 #8
Shouldn't be too long until... IrishAfricanAmerican Jul 2021 #30
Agreed. I thought that the idea of being immune after getting covid has been proven false Buckeyeblue Jul 2021 #32
Except that there is a fair amount of breakthrough Delta - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #5
It's spreading so fast there IronLionZion Jul 2021 #12
The problem with achieving herd immunity based on people who really aren't immune is the problem. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #18
Suggest you look at the meta data for J&J DenaliDemocrat Jul 2021 #33
I'm sure those damaged or dead will welcome the good news. nt chowder66 Jul 2021 #6
Will probably happen in Missouri, too. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #7
"like there's no tomorrow" IronLionZion Jul 2021 #9
Will there be a tomorrow. Texaswitchy Jul 2021 #10
There will be a tomorrow but not all of 'em will be in it. It's like Save the Earth from warming. 3Hotdogs Jul 2021 #22
Many conservatives want to live well and take their chances IronLionZion Jul 2021 #36
Ok, I have to admit I have no idea what "raw dogging air" means! Treefrog Jul 2021 #19
Breathing without a mask is like sex without a condom IronLionZion Jul 2021 #20
No masks. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #21
Herd immunity to.... SergeStorms Jul 2021 #11
I am not looking forward to fall or winter. Texaswitchy Jul 2021 #14
"President Hillary Clinton and we would not be in this mess" Maru Kitteh Jul 2021 #23
I'm still mad about what should have been President Gore Alice Kramden Jul 2021 #26
Tht to. Texaswitchy Jul 2021 #31
Agree Alice Kramden Jul 2021 #40
There is data that vaccinated people are getting milder cases IronLionZion Jul 2021 #15
I personally doubt any lasting form of herd immunity is achievable madville Jul 2021 #25
A million years ago, what we now call the common cold likely did Blue_true Jul 2021 #43
Infection does NOT provide as much protection as vaccination. Pinback Jul 2021 #13
You try explaining that to conservatives IronLionZion Jul 2021 #16
Thanks for that link! nt Maru Kitteh Jul 2021 #24
honestly that's misrepresenting what those papers state cadoman Jul 2021 #28
So, bottom line from a public health perspective is still 1) "Get vaccinated." AND Pinback Jul 2021 #39
no problem, I really appreciated that you referenced the papers! cadoman Jul 2021 #41
Whistling through the graveyard dweller Jul 2021 #17
They don't seem to factor in this issue, do they? Generic Other Jul 2021 #29
This is from Fox in Florida. BadgerMom Jul 2021 #27
Fox news stations aren't Fox obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #34
Or dead LiberalFighter Jul 2021 #35
People who have been infected but not vaccinated cannot be considered "immune" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2021 #37
Conservatives don't care about that, IronLionZion Jul 2021 #38
After most of the herd is dead! nt joetheman Jul 2021 #42
That is what has happened in history. Blue_true Jul 2021 #44
Sure this wasn't The Onion? Initech Jul 2021 #45
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