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patphil

(6,172 posts)
10. I think we may be going into a situation similar the yearly flu vaccine.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 04:17 PM
Aug 2021

The Covid style virus may be with us a long time. As a result, we will probably have to have booster shots each year. And as the virus mutates, current vaccines will have to be modified to maintain immunity.
I'm sure Pfizer and Moderna are looking into the delta variant, and also the theta variant. They need to keep their vaccine current to maintain their status as the leading providers of covid vaccines.
Even with booster shots, and modified vaccines, some years may have high infection, and possibly high fatality rates, and other years may be very low.
Eventually the anti-vaxers will run head on into a variant that will take them down hard. But, we can't afford to wait around for each new variant to rage through the population as the anti-vaxers continual to play the denial game.
We'll have to play hardball with them as regards to employment and the cost of treating their illness. I think a strong hit to their pocketbooks is the only way to get them to take the responsible path.
Right now they want the freedom to choose not to be responsible, while expecting the medical system to fix them for little or no cost to them.

In a Democracy, there is always a balance between freedom and responsibility. During good time, freedom is the more desirable path. But when things get rough, like in a pandemic, freedom must give way to responsibility.

Right now, with the latest surge, it looks like a lot of anti-vaxers are taking the freedumb path. They demonstrate their freedom by being stone cold dumb.

Freedumb is a personal choice to be a self-absorbed jerk.
Freedumb is putting everyone around you at risk by refusing to be a responsible adult.
Freedumb is never having to say you care.

Not surprising. LisaL Aug 2021 #1
It stands to reason that a vaccine that is maybe 90 percent effective is Tomconroy Aug 2021 #2
It's less than 90% effective against delta. LisaL Aug 2021 #3
It's highly effective. Somewhere in 80 to 95 percent ballpark probably. Tomconroy Aug 2021 #5
The man who delivers my prescriptions has not been vaccinated left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #4
switch your pharmacy or tell them vaxed delivery people only Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #23
Could it be? kentuck Aug 2021 #6
I doubt it. LisaL Aug 2021 #8
Looks inline ... Any comorbidities associated with the 19%? tia uponit7771 Aug 2021 #7
New Mexico is about 60% fully vaccinated. If there were no difference between being vaxxed RockRaven Aug 2021 #9
I like what you're getting at here ... but to get really accurate Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #12
the article doesn't claim there is no difference, obviously iemanja Aug 2021 #13
You understand that I included that line as a comparison, not because it has anything directly RockRaven Aug 2021 #22
Fair enough iemanja Aug 2021 #24
And the OP has a pattern of picking out these deceptive clickbait stories. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #27
The OP has a pattern of posting a distorted view of very positive statistics. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #26
I think we may be going into a situation similar the yearly flu vaccine. patphil Aug 2021 #10
Nearly 60% Of NM Is Fully Vaxxed ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #11
Umm . . . 100%. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #16
I Was Making... ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #19
Just completing the thought, since I'm pretty sure Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #20
So have you received the vaccine, OP? Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #14
reporting accurate (and expected) information should not trigger Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #17
Both context and nuance allow us additional information LanternWaste Aug 2021 #18
You're not reading carefully if you believe your last sentence is true. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #30
Technically accurate numbers presented in a deliberately deceptive way. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #28
My only agenda is to get people who are vaccinated to realize Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #31
The way you and WOTH are presenting it comes across as deceptive and antivax. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #32
Nonsense. You are actively misleading people with the data you cite - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #37
I haven't been citing different data, only looking at what you and WOTH are posting. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #40
Without doing a deep dive into the data - this isn't a surprise. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #15
And what percent of the dead? Please don't mess with Covid. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #21
87% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #25
+1000 At least one other poster in this thread seems to be a consistent antivaxxer too. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #29
Recognizing that vaccines have limitations - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #33
Nobody says vaccinations are magic. You're posting distortions to make them appear useless. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #35
Mine is always balanced and in context. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #38
Your advice is good advice NickB79 Aug 2021 #36
Yeah, about that 13% of hospitalizations being vaccinated NickB79 Aug 2021 #34
Looks like the vaccine is working. Captain Stern Aug 2021 #39
How do they know how many vaccinated people have gotten the virus marie999 Aug 2021 #41
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