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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Scottie Mom
(5,815 posts)2. More likely charge, if charged federally, is violation of civil rights IMO.
There have been state court defendants acquitted on murder charges who later were tried in federal court for violation of civil rights and found guilty.
What Is a Hate or Bias Crime?
The definition of hate and bias crime laws varies from state to state. But, in general, it is a crime committed against an individual because of the victim's actual or perceived:
race
color
ethnicity
religion
ancestry or national origin
gender
disability, or
sexual orientation.
Some hate crime legislation also protects people based on homelessness, gender identity or expression, or political affiliation.
The definition of hate and bias crime laws varies from state to state. But, in general, it is a crime committed against an individual because of the victim's actual or perceived:
race
color
ethnicity
religion
ancestry or national origin
gender
disability, or
sexual orientation.
Some hate crime legislation also protects people based on homelessness, gender identity or expression, or political affiliation.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/hate-crimes-laws-and-penalties.htm
IMO, it could be a tough charge to win on "hate crime" as a violation of civil rights, but maybe it's time to bring one re Rittenhouse and thus, again IMO, his Proud Boys Association and his White Power signs possibly could be used against him to prove up a hate crime.
Something needs to be done or, IMO, it's open season on liberals who protest -- whatever color, creed and/or sexual orientation he/she or they may be.
JMHO
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Maybe the families of the victims can set up a go-fund me (like the Rittenhouse supporters did)
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#16
I tend to agree with your assertion "More likely charge...is violation of civil rights..."
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#7
Political affiliation is possibly the basis for a charge of federal hate crime.
Scottie Mom
Nov 2021
#23
"Even if his actions had been found to be unlawful, it still isn't terrorism"
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#13
Rittehouse certainly knew about the illegally concealed glock when it was drawn on him
Devil Child
Nov 2021
#37
Rittenhouse didn't go to Kenosha with a list of "priors" for everyone demonstrating. He shot...
George II
Nov 2021
#30
Well here in Canada, the Proudboys are indeed a Federally-designated terrorist organization
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#31
And yet everyone (in both countries) has the right to free speech regardless of citizenship n/t
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#52
There is no way the shooter could have known about the (completely irrelevant)history of his victims
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#53
And I didn't know about the alleged history of Rittenhouse' victims either until this thread.
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#57
See above. There is no civil cause of action for terrorism, so it doesn't matter
Ocelot II
Nov 2021
#19
Sorry if I wasn't clear,yes state/federal terrorism charges are a separate issue from the civil suit
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#25
Because in Canada Proudboys are indeed a terrorist organization. Don't know what the US law is in
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#55
Nope. I'm not saying that at all and you don't get to put words in my mouth.
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#63
No,I'm saying a jury in state of WI already decided that murder charges do not apply in this case
Hiawatha Pete
Nov 2021
#67