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BumRushDaShow

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58. If you had actually followed what has going on the past couple years
Sun Jan 2, 2022, 06:52 AM
Jan 2022

you would have noticed that a number of companies other than the ones we are familiar with who eventually got EUAs, were "developing" COVID-19 vaccines and had to delay or withdraw them, so they are NOT finished "development" nor are approved.

Development for the currently approved (either EUA or BLA) vaccines were not just started "a few months after he said that".

E.g., one of the "Operation Warp Speed" companies that received research money - GSK/Sanofi partnership - attempted to "develop" one and found with early trials that it FAILED for targeted efficacy and/or elicited insufficient immune response . Similarly other U.S. government-funded companies also opted to delay and/or start over -

Sanofi
Merck
Novavax
AstraZeneca-BARDA (due to manufacturing issues with Emergent BioSolutions)

Why the three biggest vaccine makers failed on Covid-19
GlaxoSmithKline, Merck and Sanofi are left playing catch-up to upstarts with new technology

Hannah Kuchler in New York and Leila Abboud in Paris February 16 2021

As pharmaceutical companies raced to develop Covid-19 vaccines, crossing the finishing line in record time, the world’s three biggest vaccine makers were also-rans. GlaxoSmithKline, Merck and Sanofi are now left playing catch-up, after upstarts including Moderna and BioNTech demonstrated their mastery of new technologies that will shape the industry for years to come.

New Jersey-based Merck recently dropped its vaccine development programme completely, while Paris-based Sanofi and the UK’s GSK are having to redo an early-stage trial of the jab they are jointly developing, after a dosing mistake. According to Zain Rizvi, a medicine access researcher at advocacy group Public Citizen, the “immense scarcity” of vaccines around the world is directly connected to these big pharma groups being “missing in action”.

The vaccine market already looks completely different this year — and depending on variants in the virus that causes Covid-19 and the need for boosters, some of the changes could stick. In 2020, GSK, Sanofi, Merck and Pfizer dominated the market with best-selling vaccines for flu, pneumonia, HPV and shingles.

Among the top vaccine makers, only Pfizer has a successful Covid-19 vaccine, developed with German company BioNTech. This year, life sciences data platform Airfinity forecasts Pfizer will triple its vaccine revenue thanks to its Covid-19 vaccine, while vaccine sales at Novavax and Moderna will overtake those at Merck, GSK and Sanofi.

https://www.ft.com/content/657b123a-78ba-4fba-b18e-23c07e313331


So Fauci was correct that typically it takes time to develop these vaccines to spec and desired outcomes (efficacy and safety) and this ALSO must include getting the manufacturing details right.

I.e., "development" from start to finish is not just creating the active biologic itself and making it through the trials, but also requires nailing manufacturing scale-up that complies with required cGMPs and produces consistent QA results, which is what can bog the whole thing down, but is included in that reference for the "time normally required".

The fiasco with manufacturing Janssen (J&J) locally, since currently, pending Merck's partnership to scale up manufacturing, all the doses are imported from Belgium (and this issue includes the similarly platformed AstraZeneca, which was originally part of Operation Warp Speed having received funding here in the U.S. and was to be co-manufactured at that same plant) is exactly the type of example of the lengthy processes that can and do happen with getting vaccines (or any type of drug or medical device) approved. The ones that got done the fastest were the ones who knew the drill and had actually started earlier with related vaccine R&D (including trials) for SARS COV-1 vaccines before actually switching to focusing on the later-related SARS COV-2 vaccine effort.

Since you are a lawyer (and not a scientist as I am) - see 21CFR 600 and 610 specifically for part of what is required from the regulatory perspective.
"The vaccine was rushed." [View all] milestogo Jan 2022 OP
Even if they were "rushed" Shermann Jan 2022 #1
9 Billion. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #9
Doh! Of course. nt Shermann Jan 2022 #16
The University of Iowa Cairycat Jan 2022 #2
+1 pandr32 Jan 2022 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #55
That's exactly what Tickle Jan 2022 #60
It wasn't rushed in the first place. The mRNA technology that made it possible Ocelot II Jan 2022 #3
Yes. The very point I was preparing to post. 10 years in development, including trials Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2022 #20
The Only Reason A Mass Distribution Vax Hasn't Come Out... ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #25
They should Rebl2 Jan 2022 #38
What vaccines Rebl2 Jan 2022 #46
A lot of research since the '90s; an Ebola vaccine was developed Ocelot II Jan 2022 #48
Interesting! Rebl2 Jan 2022 #50
2013, Rabies, influenza, Zika and more. 2001 first trial of mRNA. 2008 first mRNA vaccine Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2022 #52
Yes! Thank you! Silver Gaia Jan 2022 #26
Thank you Solly Mack Jan 2022 #29
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #47
Check the videos at the bottom here Roland99 Jan 2022 #4
One told me the other day it wasn't tested doc03 Jan 2022 #5
We could ask them if the one developed in Cuba was rushed. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Jan 2022 #6
who needs science mbromell69 Jan 2022 #7
part of the reason the vaccine was released quickly is it performed so well in Pfizer's trial cadoman Jan 2022 #8
Saved millions, yes. Billions? No. Random Boomer Jan 2022 #21
The various Covid vaccines have been more thoroughly tested than Covid infection itself... RockRaven Jan 2022 #10
Even assuming there are unforeseen side effects that won't kick in until years later, Ocelot II Jan 2022 #18
Tell them that researchers at MIT started work on the mRNA technology in the 70's. pnwmom Jan 2022 #12
And he tried to pressure the FDA into approving it before the election. Ocelot II Jan 2022 #19
Also, Pfizer refused to take US money to participate in Operation Warp Speed pnwmom Jan 2022 #39
Scientists had also been working on coronavirus vaccines for years. yardwork Jan 2022 #22
If you take into consideration how many people/hours . . . Richard D Jan 2022 #13
These RNA vaccines are the culmination of more than 2 decades of work. The problem... NNadir Jan 2022 #14
More than 40 years, since it began at MIT in the 70's. pnwmom Jan 2022 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #56
Yeah, 3 years ago... Wounded Bear Jan 2022 #15
Trumpers make two claims: SCantiGOP Jan 2022 #17
They don't know what they're talking about. Sogo Jan 2022 #23
Exactly. milestogo Jan 2022 #31
The MRNA vaccines are a product of years and decades of research. onecaliberal Jan 2022 #24
Thank you. CBHagman Jan 2022 #27
"Expedited", not rushed andym Jan 2022 #28
So was our trip to the moon. Collimator Jan 2022 #30
Testing steps normally done sequentially were done simultaneously but they were STILL done. CousinIT Jan 2022 #32
Every single excuse used to deny or refuse the vaccine can be boiled down to this: Orrex Jan 2022 #33
But what about that "it hasn't been tested meme?" Botany Jan 2022 #41
I wish I could rec this post. mnhtnbb Jan 2022 #42
The flue vaccine is a new vaccine each year liberal N proud Jan 2022 #34
excellent point Demovictory9 Jan 2022 #57
One Of The Really Big Differences This Time DallasNE Jan 2022 #35
I was paranoid as heck while they were 'rushing' through developing the vaccine. PatrickforB Jan 2022 #36
You are trying to interfere with Operation Warped Mind bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #37
Now how were they able to make the vaccine so quickly? Botany Jan 2022 #43
The development of the COVID vaccines was the culmination of many years of progress. DickKessler Jan 2022 #44
I think people have forgotten that experts, including Fauci, said a vaccine would take a long time. former9thward Jan 2022 #45
Fauci was correct BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #51
He was not correct. former9thward Jan 2022 #54
If you had actually followed what has going on the past couple years BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #58
Fauci was (and is) the senior PR person for public health. former9thward Jan 2022 #61
You apparently have mistaken and elevated Fauci's role BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #62
Before I became a lawyer I received a M.S. in Public Health Sciences. former9thward Jan 2022 #63
You still miss the fact that we are talking about the federal government BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #64
Thank God it was rushed DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #49
If they say that blame Trump and Pence for it. ZonkerHarris Jan 2022 #53
The research that enabled the fast development of the COVID vaccines DemocraticPatriot Jan 2022 #59
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