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onenote

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70. You are mistaken.

Tue Feb 1, 2022, 01:13 AM

Feb 2022

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See United States v. Diggs, 613 F.2d 988, 997 (D.C. Cir. 1979) ("Because only 'a scheme to defraud' and not actual fraud is required, proof of fraudulent intent is critical.&quot , cert. denied, 446 U.S. 982 (1980); see also United States v. Costanzo, 4 F.3d 658, 664 (8th Cir. 1993) (intent is an essential element, inquiry is whether defendants intended to defraud).

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Imagine this, A fake elector being questioned in front of a federal grand jury. [View all] fightforfreedom Jan 2022 OP

Fingers crossed! Blue Owl Jan 2022 #1

ALL fingers point to TDFG. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2022 #2

I predict none will take plea deals. Pobeka Jan 2022 #3

Who's going to pay their legal bills? Not the GOP, and not TFG. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #18

You are thinking rationally. Pobeka Jan 2022 #25

One Thing To Consider ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #53

I hope that's true. Pobeka Jan 2022 #54

Maybe, but the variables have changed if they are looking at possible sedition charges. Gore1FL Jan 2022 #59

Down they all go malaise Jan 2022 #4

That works. calimary Jan 2022 #29

Mail fraud carries a 20 year prison sentence Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #5

It would be a shame if coup plotters got jailed just for mail fraud. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #6

I think the mail fraud counts are a no-brainer Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #7

Did the people who signed the document gab13by13 Jan 2022 #8

Seems the bar is pretty high to get a conviction for federal mail fraud Mr. Ected Jan 2022 #10

It doesn't matter if they knew or not. fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #12

Question: are you an attorney onenote Jan 2022 #13

Wish "My Cousin Vinny" had been about mail fraud so I'd understand it better KS Toronado Jan 2022 #27

What would happen if you or I did what they did? fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #36

THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE nvme Jan 2022 #66

Which is why I have higher hopes for the Georgia case against Trump grantcart Jan 2022 #32

Intent is a factor in the Georgia case DLCWIdem Jan 2022 #45

I would be very curious on her exact words and context grantcart Jan 2022 #57

I think it had to do with "guilty mind" (mens rea) DLCWIdem Jan 2022 #58

Not only did they know, that was their intent jmowreader Jan 2022 #43

The concept of a "specific intent" crime is confusing for law students onenote Feb 2022 #71

What do you think they'll be charged with? jmowreader Feb 2022 #72

Does the driver of the getaway car know the bank robbers are going to kill people in the bank? usaf-vet Feb 2022 #77

Don't forget: they finally got Al Capone - for tax evasion. calimary Jan 2022 #37

I agree ...They, (whoever "they" are) will get Donald Trump for exactly the same crime. Stuart G Jan 2022 #55

Conspiracy to defraud the United States is a likely plea bargain Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #19

Possible jmowreader Jan 2022 #44

They have more to lose than the January 6 insurrectionists who are taking plea deals Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #48

plus 147 republican's that is j-6 committee sight's !! monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #74

I'd love to see the ass-kissing David Schaefer (GA) get questioned. oldsoftie Jan 2022 #9

Schaefer has a Casady1 Jan 2022 #63

Lololol oldsoftie Jan 2022 #64

If the prosecution rested at that point in a trial, they would lose. onenote Jan 2022 #11

Not if people like myself were on that grand jury. fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #14

And maybe a grand jury would issue an indictment onenote Jan 2022 #16

Grand juries do not convict, they issue indictments. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #21

I would think it would depend on what "good faith" means DLCWIdem Jan 2022 #46

The issue is whether they had specific intent to defraud onenote Jan 2022 #47

Yes I read that DLCWIdem Jan 2022 #56

I don't think that is necessarily a controlling limitation. onenote Jan 2022 #68

I believe mail fraud is not a specific intent crime. EOM Scottie Mom Feb 2022 #69

You are mistaken. onenote Feb 2022 #70

Giuliani answers to Trump. Giuliani coordinated the fake electors conspiracy. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2022 #15

Giuliani did not draw up the documents, gab13by13 Jan 2022 #17

And Rudy and Trump PRESSURED Pence to ACCEPT the fraudulent electors Captain Zero Feb 2022 #73

Yes... I believe you are correct. They can't hide this ashredux Jan 2022 #20

"The fake electors investigation ties everything together." Botany Jan 2022 #22

Question Michigan's GOP leaders, Sen Maj Leader Mike Shirkey and House Spkr Lee Chatfield. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #23

It's a ridiculously easy case to prove. CanonRay Jan 2022 #24

Again: are you an attorney? onenote Jan 2022 #33

Actually, I was a Federal Agent for 28 years CanonRay Jan 2022 #39

Was the advice of counsel/good faith defense in issue in any of them? onenote Jan 2022 #42

Not that I can recall CanonRay Jan 2022 #49

Thank you. fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #38

It will never get to Trump, though...he had a lot of buffers. sop Jan 2022 #26

Had an interesting conversation with a neighbor yesterday leftieNanner Jan 2022 #28

Nevertheless, they knew the specific thing they did... dchill Jan 2022 #30

I don't believe that, gab13by13 Jan 2022 #31

I agree, these people are not your typical mindless Trumpsters. patphil Jan 2022 #34

They know Trump did not win, come on. fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #40

I agree with you leftieNanner Jan 2022 #61

I thought they said it was a "just in case" set of alternate electors dwayneb Jan 2022 #60

Are the electors sworn in ? 3825-87867 Jan 2022 #35

I know there is some sort of process. fightforfreedom Jan 2022 #41

It's not uncommon to have a policy Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #65

It won't be quite that simple jmowreader Jan 2022 #50

When you get to ordinary people with ordinary financial resources for lawyers, the worm Vinca Jan 2022 #51

There's no way a lawyer told them to FORGE their state's seal ecstatic Jan 2022 #52

Rendition and waterboard. nt Hotler Jan 2022 #62

Jill Wine-Banks pointed out, voters vote for electors and not directly for a Presidential candidate. RicROC Jan 2022 #67

I would like to remind you... joshcryer Feb 2022 #75

Too bad speculation is not reality bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #76