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RomneyLies

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112. And I don't have to beleive half baked conspiracy theory nonsense just because you do.

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:51 PM

Oct 2012

Be my guest. Waste your time. Look for the guy from the grassy gnoll and find the super secret Burbank sound stage where the moon landings were filmed.

Knock yourself out.

Meanwhile, I'll go make some calls for Obama to swing state voters.

I'll effect the outcome substantially more than you will with my actions while you chase non-existent ghosts.

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Retired NSA Analyst Proves GOP Is Stealing Elections [View all] ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 OP

ooooookay RomneyLies Oct 2012 #1

I don't know...I know some of the damn machines DO flip votes ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #5

Mike Collins has an article that explains it. reusrename Oct 2012 #42

i write software and design control systems... docgee Oct 2012 #73

just askin ekimline Oct 2012 #225

Problem is politicians could buy votes that way. hunter Oct 2012 #241

thanks upi402 Oct 2012 #252

I remember watching on PBS JonLP24 Oct 2012 #177

I own a computer services company -- it is very easy to create programs that disappear, reappear AikidoSoul Oct 2012 #229

"trade laws prohibit that you investigate the firmware, hardware or software" FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #239

FiveGoodMen FTW! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #256

Its worse than flipping..its losing votes... AsahinaKimi Oct 2012 #226

There are a few things to explain that. EOTE Oct 2012 #6

That's what continually concerns me since 2000 (and even before that really) ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #7

WTF is a TPTB? RomneyLies Oct 2012 #8

The Powers That Be nt PCIntern Oct 2012 #9

WTF is "The Powers That Be"? nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #10

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #28

Does the name Richard Charnin mean anything to you? Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #33

I don't buy into black box voting Ct RomneyLies Oct 2012 #43

I don't buy into refusing to look at evidence Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #46

If there was any real evidence, I'd look at it. nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #117

If you don't look, how do you evaluate the quality of the evidence? Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #146

you don't want to be confused with facts? Duppers Oct 2012 #224

If you don't get why it's so easy to steal elections when computers are used, AikidoSoul Oct 2012 #231

"Not using your good marbles." I'm stealing that. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #258

It doesn't matter whether or not you 'buy into' the fact that those machines sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #295

So here we are discussing election theft and vote flipping INdemo Oct 2012 #75

That's the one thing that makes me feel a little better. drm604 Oct 2012 #106

If they can't do anything, then no one can. randome Oct 2012 #111

I believe the Obama campaign is well aware of RW election fraud Doremus Oct 2012 #153

SPOT ON! Let's ask ourselves why, why, why??????????????? They've known about the theft potential AikidoSoul Oct 2012 #233

We need to organize over this. But the fact the neither the Dems nor the Rs has made a fuss makes me Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #257

Still waiting for somebody to name these "Powers that be" RomneyLies Oct 2012 #62

Reading OP's not your strong suit? Wednesdays Oct 2012 #66

I read the OP and the article the OP linked to. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #69

Names. MynameisBlarney Oct 2012 #70

Prove it. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #74

If Diebold is not odious, then they must be incompetant JonLP24 Oct 2012 #178

RE: Diebold MessiahRp Oct 2012 #180

ATMs fuck up all the time. Unlike with voting, though, it makes no difference eridani Oct 2012 #183

You're defending republicans brilliantly - TBF Oct 2012 #193

Yes, I noticed that also ... n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #296

You know there is a way to take care of that problem nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #23

Too costly. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #44

Wow. Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #47

Absolutely. I work in IT RomneyLies Oct 2012 #61

If you really work in IT, then you know how easy it would be FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #93

I know how dicciult it would be to do so withoout leaving a trail. n/t RomneyLies Oct 2012 #113

What kind of trail could be found on machines that can't be examined? FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #118

It all depends on how you do it. drm604 Oct 2012 #122

See post #100. randome Oct 2012 #125

not according to the NASA IT guys. who , underoath it is the easiest thing in the owrld to make robinlynne Oct 2012 #143

So we would have voting machines that were wiped of code. randome Oct 2012 #145

not at all. google Clint Curtis and congress. He was a NASA programmer hired to write this robinlynne Oct 2012 #155

You are aware that it's illegal to look at the "proprietary" code of these machines? Doremus Oct 2012 #158

And all these attempts were discovered so there are ways to tell. randome Oct 2012 #163

Don't believe I've ever read a more disingenuous reply. Doremus Oct 2012 #171

Many have been discovered. I doubt that ALL have been discovered. robinlynne Oct 2012 #204

I don't believe ANY ballot system is 100% safe. randome Oct 2012 #207

I will fiond the link for you. you are incorrect. Florida was rpogrammed to flip the vote in all of robinlynne Oct 2012 #209

Is this the link? randome Oct 2012 #210

no. I posted link below. here it is again: robinlynne Oct 2012 #212

Thanks. I'll have to look and listen after work. randome Oct 2012 #215

You think wrong. sorry. This I can tell you from personal election monitoring experience. robinlynne Oct 2012 #216

I'm sorry but this proves nothing. randome Oct 2012 #264

He testified that he was hired to and wrote the software to flip half of Florida. watch again. robinlynne Oct 2012 #266

And was this software ever used? Not according to his testimony. randome Oct 2012 #270

Your point? It is proven beyond any doubt. done. proven. argument over. watch Dan robinlynne Oct 2012 #271

oh, and what happened back then was Terry Schiavo. On the exact same day this Congressional hearing robinlynne Oct 2012 #217

All these examples are relatively small in scale. randome Oct 2012 #164

You have obviously not read up on the 2004 Ohio election. Doremus Oct 2012 #169

not true. half of florida in 2000 is not small. How was it dealt with? noone even went to jail? robinlynne Oct 2012 #205

Why do you think no one went to jail? randome Oct 2012 #208

Why do you think Dick Cheney did not go to jail for war crimes? robinlynne Oct 2012 #213

Because he was one of our elected leaders. randome Oct 2012 #214

There is your answer. robinlynne Oct 2012 #218

Yes. the GOP head IT man died in an airplane creash rihgt before he was suppo to testify about the robinlynne Oct 2012 #202

And what caused the crash? randome Oct 2012 #203

It only sounds extremely unlikely to someone who has apparently sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #220

Yeah, well, I've been busy. randome Oct 2012 #221

LOL! Well I'll be darned! I've had that very same experience. Zorra Oct 2012 #236

Bullshit. drm604 Oct 2012 #108

I work in IT security and you're off your rocker. Fawke Em Oct 2012 #168

I became a network administrator the day I turned 16. EOTE Oct 2012 #188

Sorry to join the mob, but you're just wrong. The errors of your reasoning have been presented Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #260

What utter nonsense. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #297

WOW just wow nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #63

+++++1 crunch60 Oct 2012 #141

"more secure"? TahitiNut Oct 2012 #82

Yes, much more secure. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #89

"Worst case I've seen is the crap that single clerk in Wisconsin pulled." Then you are uninformed. Doremus Oct 2012 #160

Again, I refuse to believe the conspiracy theory bullshit RomneyLies Oct 2012 #166

Two clerks in Cleveland were not only charged but went to prison. Doremus Oct 2012 #170

Personally, meanit Oct 2012 #97

Ever vote on punch cards? Ever vote on optiscan? Ever vote on lever machines? RomneyLies Oct 2012 #101

With all due respect meanit Oct 2012 #119

With all due respect RomneyLies Oct 2012 #120

Very telling meanit Oct 2012 #284

watch this video. you wanted evidence. And 3rd parties have been counting votes robinlynne Oct 2012 #211

Actually SON, yes SON... nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #223

'Something here smells'! I agree! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #298

bcause they drank the kool aid Bush/Rove sold the country....fast is good. private is necessary. robinlynne Oct 2012 #206

I'm sure you know far more than the statisticians whose job it is to analyze this data. EOTE Oct 2012 #24

Anybody with a "job" promoting black box voting nonsense RomneyLies Oct 2012 #45

Anyone who is fine with proprietary voting software that can't be audited in the least... EOTE Oct 2012 #186

+1 Nine Oct 2012 #219

agree and this AsahinaKimi Oct 2012 #230

You seem afraid, yes AFRAID, of openly audited elections nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #227

How can you make a blanket statement that it's a scam? drm604 Oct 2012 #99

Shjow me a single instance of it happening RomneyLies Oct 2012 #115

Wow. drm604 Oct 2012 #121

Scam atists? RomneyLies Oct 2012 #123

Obviously you have no real arguments. drm604 Oct 2012 #126

Since the BBV scammers fdon't have any arguments, I don't need anything to counter them. nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #127

I done with you. drm604 Oct 2012 #129

Good RomneyLies Oct 2012 #131

Are you implying that billh58 Oct 2012 #262

Sounds like billh58 Oct 2012 #261

Disagree strongly Mc Mike Oct 2012 #259

I still default to the simple logic... Whiskeytide Oct 2012 #12

Right. Who would put it past them? ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #13

That's all you really need to ask. EOTE Oct 2012 #25

whiskeytide redwhiteblue Oct 2012 #36

I welcome you elehhhhna Oct 2012 #49

Nate Silver predicted the WI recall election result. D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #92

Welcome to DU! juajen Oct 2012 #250

I default to simple logic RomneyLies Oct 2012 #48

+1 D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #87

And +1 for you, too. randome Oct 2012 #91

That must be why so many races are neck-and-neck FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #94

Well, the geniuses that brought us Palin and Romney can't be that good at their jobs. randome Oct 2012 #95

Most of the blame certainly goes to the idiots who vote GOP FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #105

They must have run out of black helicopters for the operation. nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #116

Who claimed they were the Illuminati? drm604 Oct 2012 #124

But you have no evidence of this happening. You're just afraid. randome Oct 2012 #128

Read the OP. drm604 Oct 2012 #133

Its possible to have election fraud on many different levels... D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #138

I didn't mean to come across as snarky. randome Oct 2012 #140

There is no trail. You imagine a bunch of wrong things. You need to read up. robinlynne Oct 2012 #268

Bush v. Gore tells you just how far they are willing to go Supersedeas Oct 2012 #194

That is your proof that the elections are honest? Are you kidding? robinlynne Oct 2012 #15

That, or they didn't try to steal the Pres race... Whiskeytide Oct 2012 #17

of course they did. they just did not steal enough votes. Obama's win was huge. not 3 points. robinlynne Oct 2012 #38

Name one who publicly said their race was stolen... brooklynite Oct 2012 #22

Every election results in sore losers contesting the results RomneyLies Oct 2012 #51

They didn't expect Obama to win by the margin he did, so their cheating was insufficient to cover... Scuba Oct 2012 #18

Ohio BlueinOhio Oct 2012 #32

I saw my vote flipped in 2008. n/t proReality Oct 2012 #34

If the votes were honestly counted the last time it would have shown that Obama won by a landslide madokie Oct 2012 #52

They wanted Obama to win so they could dump Bush's shit on him RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #56

And the moon landings were staged in a Hollywood sound stage! RomneyLies Oct 2012 #59

Well, yes and no . . . BrainGlutton23 Oct 2012 #85

I KNEW it! randome Oct 2012 #86

Obama was not the only one running. RC Oct 2012 #71

And not a single case of voting fraud on a wide spread scale due to voting machines. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #72

I am far from a Luddite as far as computers go RC Oct 2012 #132

I did not read your response RomneyLies Oct 2012 #134

Good. If we need you we'll go look for you in the whacked out posters threads. cui bono Oct 2012 #176

Ahh, so you're continuing your long standing tradition of responding to posts which you haven't read EOTE Oct 2012 #248

Obama probably won by a MUCH bigger margin than we may ever know. Matariki Oct 2012 #88

Perhaps because he won by too large a margin to believably flip. drm604 Oct 2012 #102

Wouldn't matter under the CT floated here RomneyLies Oct 2012 #114

Hmm...... cliffordu Oct 2012 #147

Take a little more time to read the thread. No one is saying they haven't been trying. randome Oct 2012 #149

So I guess I'm not one of the cool kids RomneyLies Oct 2012 #151

they didn't want '08. One word: Palin. look at '04 ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #174

yes the confusion & challenge marions ghost Oct 2012 #195

So if our margin is strong enough to overcome fraud, that makes fraud OK? eridani Oct 2012 #182

Cuz those nice honest republicans would never do that, would they? Zorra Oct 2012 #232

Same machines that the GOP "rigged" in 2004 gave us wins in 2006 and 2008. brooklynite Oct 2012 #2

and losses! robinlynne Oct 2012 #16

So, ANY loss is an indication of rigging? brooklynite Oct 2012 #20

You are arguing apples and oranges. Either an election is verifiable, or it is NOT. Either each cit robinlynne Oct 2012 #156

We're not talking about verifiable elections... brooklynite Oct 2012 #157

Or 2012. randome Oct 2012 #161

Well, YOU'RE no fun... brooklynite Oct 2012 #162

And yet, depending on the poll, Romney's neck and neck with Obama. Pretty good for a party Doremus Oct 2012 #167

oh they could and they did in 2006 and 2008! robinlynne Oct 2012 #201

If the rig "only" gives the preferred side a 10 point advantage... thesquanderer Oct 2012 #76

I dunno. It might have made a difference if we had 62 or more Democratic senators, not just 59. Selatius Oct 2012 #130

I agree that the analyst proves how it could be done SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2012 #3

Crap. What can be done about it? nt postulater Oct 2012 #4

k&r crazylikafox Oct 2012 #11

I am not ready for these conspiracy theories GitRDun Oct 2012 #14

Conspiracy theories? EOTE Oct 2012 #26

I love it when people who don't even know you call you ignorant or daft. GitRDun Oct 2012 #100

Whoa. randome Oct 2012 #104

Accepting criticism of privately owned and proprietary voting machines as "conspiracy theories" is EOTE Oct 2012 #187

Again with the abusive language, you must be one awful person to be around GitRDun Oct 2012 #190

Once again, you must have been sleeping from 2000 to 2004. EOTE Oct 2012 #192

More suppositions GitRDun Oct 2012 #197

I've built a case, you dismiss it as "conspiracy theories". EOTE Oct 2012 #198

Lol GitRDun Oct 2012 #199

Would it delight you to know theinquisitivechad Oct 2012 #228

No, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. EOTE Oct 2012 #249

Which ones are you ready for? /nt Festivito Oct 2012 #39

Lol GitRDun Oct 2012 #109

This Republican attack on America must be stopped Berlum Oct 2012 #19

18181 votes Gold Metal Flake Oct 2012 #21

^this^ frylock Oct 2012 #30

yep. THAT. elehhhhna Oct 2012 #54

What an amazing coincidence that. nc4bo Oct 2012 #110

That was the number I was trying to remember. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #275

Holy shit on a stick! Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #27

Same happened to my Mom in NV a few years ago... ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #29

a lot of people have reported that happening going back to 2004 frylock Oct 2012 #31

"it's fucking happening and it's all too real" -- AND it's a conspiracy FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #50

OK, Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #60

Every allegation that two or more people have planned to do something wrong is a conspiracy theory FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #65

I know where you're coming from, Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #77

And that change in the term has derailed countless important discussions FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #84

I'll believe it when it actually happens RomneyLies Oct 2012 #55

You'd have to be god to make the statement 'not a single case of "black box voting" has happened' FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #96

Trot out the case. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #103

Many here are trying to 'trot out the case' FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #107

And I don't have to beleive half baked conspiracy theory nonsense just because you do. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #112

sure you will fascisthunter Oct 2012 #142

"affect" the outcome. theinquisitivechad Oct 2012 #235

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Selatius Oct 2012 #136

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #137

Have a nice day then. I can see we're not really making any progress holding a civil discussion. nt Selatius Oct 2012 #139

K&R LeftInTX Oct 2012 #35

K & R !!! - Damned Government Workers !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #37

Detroit local news tells me Romney is 1% ahead of Obama, every broadcast. Festivito Oct 2012 #40

Doubtless attempt at election theft. nt. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #273

Just brainstorming here... Sophiegirl Oct 2012 #41

I watched my vote recorded on paper inside the voting machine I used RomneyLies Oct 2012 #58

I like that you've responded to all these posts abelenkpe Oct 2012 #78

You're free to beleive what you will RomneyLies Oct 2012 #81

"Not a single case of election fraud through computerized machines has ever occurred." FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #98

The poster is just a little too focused siligut Oct 2012 #173

I think you may be right. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #181

oh really? That is the GOP argument, and the same argument used by the private, right wing corporate robinlynne Oct 2012 #269

IMHO, I've never doubted for a second that they'll try this shit again. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #53

According to this, it goes back to '08, not '04 or '00. hughee99 Oct 2012 #67

fraud rso Oct 2012 #57

I was hoping... DirtyDawg Oct 2012 #64

Uh-oh...it's vote fraud conspiracy theory season at DU! tritsofme Oct 2012 #68

Vote or voter fraud is different from election fraud and they are not interchangable terms. tandem5 Oct 2012 #83

Right, so in order for this theory of yours to work. Obama must be complicit in the conspiracy. tritsofme Oct 2012 #240

false dilemma mixed with a little thought terminating cliche tandem5 Oct 2012 #244

How is it a false dilemma? tritsofme Oct 2012 #245

well said thanks marions ghost Oct 2012 #255

yes, your political party, the GOP fascisthunter Oct 2012 #144

lol, thanks. You're a gem. tritsofme Oct 2012 #238

Bullshit. Obama did not win every 2008 blue state by 10%. D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #79

To me, the most compelling evidence that these machines are rigged is the fact that exit polling, Nay Oct 2012 #80

Yes I find the whole exit polling issue very suspicious as well ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #150

Who is 'they' who are eliminating exit polling? randome Oct 2012 #152

AFAIK various mainstream media outlets. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #172

They are one consortium. There is ONE group. not many. not two even. It is a group robinlynne Oct 2012 #267

So, you trust exit polling... brooklynite Oct 2012 #154

If you look at the graphs with Central Tabulature it's interesting rightsideout Oct 2012 #90

GWB won in 2000 because of the USSC and FLA (where bro was Guv) PufPuf23 Oct 2012 #135

And because of Al Gore... brooklynite Oct 2012 #159

But how does he plan to govern? Dan Oct 2012 #148

I hate to break this to people, but there are a lot of idiots and dumbasses in this country. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #165

Can't we make the code transparent? toby jo Oct 2012 #175

Not if it is compiled (something open source proponents seem to ignore). ieoeja Oct 2012 #191

While vote fraud through computers is definitely possible fujiyama Oct 2012 #179

circular logic Nine Oct 2012 #222

Paper trail and random hand counts as well marions ghost Oct 2012 #242

Kick ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #184

Kick n/t Shining Jack Oct 2012 #185

A conspiracy as large as necessary would be statistically impossible Progressive dog Oct 2012 #189

If you're happy with your argument from incredulity, fine FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #196

I have a bridge for sale in NYC Progressive dog Oct 2012 #247

And a bad attitude and a total lack of concern for your country. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #251

Yawn marions ghost Oct 2012 #243

John COnyers 2004 Ohio election Fraud report...... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #200

Robert Kennedy Jr. In Rolling Stone: Was the 2004 Election Stolen? JohnyCanuck Oct 2012 #237

DU can help publicize recent studies on GOP computer fraud Hannahcares Oct 2012 #234

"Voters in Britain know the count is accurate because every ballot is transparently hand-counted. " marions ghost Oct 2012 #246

I'm damn glad the Dems went to war for clean voting when we gave them the majority upi402 Oct 2012 #253

There have been improvements in some states, but not enough marions ghost Oct 2012 #254

K&R G_j Oct 2012 #263

K & R marions ghost Oct 2012 #265

I turned this 271 post thread into 51 posts, Mc Mike Oct 2012 #272

K & R marions ghost Oct 2012 #274

Hi , m g. Thanks for the good posts and work! NT. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #278

Backatcha marions ghost Oct 2012 #279

I never saw him live, but have his books Mc Mike Oct 2012 #281

Right marions ghost Oct 2012 #283

I remembered this 'ancient history' video Mc Mike Oct 2012 #285

Amazing marions ghost Nov 2012 #289

When Ms. With talked, she just came across as so honest. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #290

Watch and report (and photograph) marions ghost Nov 2012 #291

Freepress has a new one. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #292

thank you marions ghost Nov 2012 #293

I can't speak for Mr. Bello and FreePress, Mc Mike Nov 2012 #294

Forgot to add 'Cruel and Unusual' Mc Mike Nov 2012 #288

With the added advantage that you don't need to consider opinions that differ from your own. randome Oct 2012 #276

Har Har! It was only temporary, but Mc Mike Oct 2012 #277

Just good old boys Texas-Limerick Oct 2012 #280

It makes total sense that the Repugs Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #282

k & r! nt wildbilln864 Oct 2012 #286

News articles on "vote flipping" have been purged from the internet. reusrename Oct 2012 #287