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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]radius777
(3,635 posts)25. Russia and China will never defeat the West.
China is basicaly just a factory for the West, and Russia is just an oil/gas oligarchy. Neither country has the type of intellectual, creative and productive strength and resiliency of Western democracy and capitalism. The combined gdp of NATO countries ($42 trillion) is more than double that of China and Russia combined. NATO's military is the most advanced and huge, and could be much larger if need be, due to the economic and technological superiority of the West relative to the anti-West.
Russia in particular has a dysfunctional kleptocratic top-heavy economy with a weak gdp ($2 trillion) and high inflation. The tougher sanctions can cripple their economy and send it into a tailspin. China may offer some help to them but recent comments coming out of Beijing condemned the invasion of Ukraine. China, again as the factory of the world, does not want any global instability - especially fears the wrath of the West that it relies on as consumers, and I highly doubt would ever go 'all in' on latching itself to crappy Russia.
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Don't the Oligarchs have a lot of real estate in the world's biggest Western cities,
Beakybird
Feb 2022
#1
It will mean something. Why do they have that condo in the west? Because they love being here.
Samrob
Feb 2022
#63
Russians are broke the country has half a year in GDP in cash alone without China's help. On the
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#14
The New York Times seems to find itself on the wrong side of history a lot nowadays.
W_HAMILTON
Feb 2022
#30
The combined impact of European and US sanctions will have more than a "little effect".
texasfiddler
Feb 2022
#10
So, when he's rolling into Poland, after taking over the Baltic, are you still going to shrug?
Dirty Heads
Feb 2022
#52
Worth noting that Putin seems to be leaving his oil and gas fields under-defended.
lagomorph777
Feb 2022
#22