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In reply to the discussion: Heard some disturbing things on Hartman's program this week [View all]
eShirl
(18,848 posts)19. So where does the Bannon stuff come in?
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That joke hit its sell-by date 70 years ago. If we can't unify NOW in 2022, the party is over...
Hekate
Mar 2022
#217
Thank you so much. Seems as if someone here has a personal axe to grind
Ferrets are Cool
Mar 2022
#106
I asked you to stop making (Nasty) personal attacks. And I never called him a "spy" (Nt)
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#18
You implied it and put your toe over the line with "relationship with Russian military"
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#22
5 years ago we knew what Russia and RT were doing to undermine our election and nation.
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#21
Again you go with the spy accusation, calling him an "agent" with no evidence.
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#24
His show was on Russia Today, a branch of Russian Military Intelligence. Now banned in the USA. nt
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#28
Still no evidence & certainly not current. Books? He wrote 30. Podcasts? Hundreds. You have nothing.
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#36
Hartmann has never been banned in the USA. Your title smears. It's all you have, a smear
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#37
Why has nobody succeeding in cancelling Hartmann on DU after more than 5 years?
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#78
I don't know about being "a positive force," but he apparently has not crossed the line...
Hekate
Mar 2022
#218
Trumpism is older than five years. And this is a direct consequence of what happened in 2016.
Beastly Boy
Mar 2022
#83
Funny how nobody provides links or quotes of Hartmann carrying Russian water or tRump water
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#102
Understanding sources of news is crucial. Hartmann's past is not fiction. RT is disinformation. (Nt)
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#76
Understanding sources of news is important. Key word: understanding, not making stuff up
KPN
Mar 2022
#91
I just explained it. RT means he is no voice for my party. That opinion is my right to have. (Nt)
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#99
That's not a purpose. You haven't explained anything. Seems like you simply want to
KPN
Mar 2022
#111
Not at all, we can disagree vehemently on Hartmann without it automatically being my bad faith.
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#113
He was a willing host of a show on the Russian propaganda network, helping to legitimate the network
pnwmom
Mar 2022
#199
I appreciate the good faith you attribute to those w this concern. Thanks eyeball.
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#90
I'm sure Hartmann calling the Ukrainian leadership Neo-Nazi was a complete coincidence.
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#114
Hartmann only left RT when DoJ wanted people on RT to register as foreign agents.
NightWatcher
Mar 2022
#197
It's deserved. Trust is earned. And being supported by RT wasn't the way to earn it (Nt)
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#101
Excellent question. Bothsidesism and sideways calls for political violence. Feels Russian (Nt)
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#9
It means attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, etc. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#15
Bannon pushes attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting,
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#27
Using Bannon as an example for anything leaves a stink. He explicitly wants to overthrow the US.
Hekate
Mar 2022
#221
He's a Russian tool who only stopped being a tool when DoJ wanted people on RT to register for FARA
NightWatcher
Mar 2022
#10
Your evidence is Hartmann saying the GOP is stupid more than 5 years ago. :eyes:
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#29
Simple, but those with prejudice against TH can't imagine speaking at meetings, shaking hands,
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#20
"Prejudice against TH" "remember his show's relationship to Russian Military Intelligence"
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#23
Again, you give no evidence, least of all current evidence from his writings / podcasts / books. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#33
You are the naysayer wanting to cancel Hartmann. Ball in your court. You have no evidence
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#39
"Cancel", eh? Hardly. Wow, that one is a classic right wing BS move. Thanks for the chuckle (Nt)
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#41
Still you provide nothing he ever said or wrote. You have nothing. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#42
You feel you are privileged because you are demanding actions of others, but nobody else can
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#50
I've done no such thing, you're flatly wrong. "Canceling" is bullshit. Have a great day! (Nt)
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#51
No, you don't understand the argument at all and are reduced to misrepresenting it. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#43
Ah, the Bernie spectre is resuscitated again as a reason to fear Hartmann. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#71
Show us that he took MONEY, your allegation. PROVE IT. You can't. It's a dishonest smear. . .nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#74
I think that's a lie. I think you misread the OP, for whatever reasons, laxness possibly among them
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#110
"The neoliberal system Reagan and Clinton pioneered is collapsing under its own weight of corruption
betsuni
Mar 2022
#132
What is it with people can't provide links? And that is not what is claimed
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#138
SAME text I posted links for you twice. And it does NOT SAY what you think it does
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#151
But your links don't say that. And your text ignores Democratic populists. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#159
Nope. Bernie Sanders does not view liberals as a roadblock. He is liberal. Or you think he is a CON?
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#162
Sanders is a liberal populist Democrat. You said populists can't be liberal or Democratic AND
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#171
Bernie is a democratic socialist, a populist, he is an independent. He is not a liberal Democrat.
betsuni
Mar 2022
#213
RT used to be popular on DemocraticUnderground around that time. Condemn DU?
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#115
Still no credible links to anything he has said or written. And you continue to walk back the MONEY
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#127
You smeared with "took money". Invoking Bannon is what-aboutism at best and diversion. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#139
Bannon has nothing to do with your indefensible smear that Hartmann TOOK MONEY. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#155
You said MONEY. You haven't provided any evidence of your smear that he TOOK MONEY
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#116
You said "took MONEY", and provide no evidence. That is one of the smears. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#128
Democrats are accused of "taking money" all the time as if campaign contributions
betsuni
Mar 2022
#225
Lumping all Bernie primary voters not voting for Clinton IS REHASHING the 2016 election!
Emile
Mar 2022
#168
True the vast majority did, but this is what you said: Bernie primary voters not voting for Clinton.
Emile
Mar 2022
#192
It is prejudice to imagine Hartmann means violence by "physical" INSTEAD of normal meet-and-greet.nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#48
No it's not, freedom of speech means you don't get to regulate interpretations, that's Russian.
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#49
But you are "Russian" (your term) because you want to regulate interpretations of Hartmann
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#53
But what does getting "physically involved in the Democratic Party using Bannon pushing this
betsuni
Mar 2022
#52
It means attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, etc. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#55
It's the myth that the Tea Party was "grassroots" and that there will be an alliance
betsuni
Mar 2022
#75
I listen to some of Thom Hartmann's program and Stephanie Miller on the Progressive
doc03
Mar 2022
#54
+1. Some are doing everything they can to silence & deny one of the strongest Left voices. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#56
No they're not. I live in Connor's district vocally and visually supported him in his first campaign
Tommymac
Mar 2022
#212
The county I live in was nearly 100% controlled by Democrats 20 years ago, now every single
doc03
Mar 2022
#77
Those who claim the "party is corrupt" must explain why they think so, they need to provide proof
Escurumbele
Mar 2022
#68
I've been asking for years for evidence the party is corrupt and it never comes.
betsuni
Mar 2022
#79
Hartmann is not a friend of liberal democracy, he is not a friend of the US Constitution, and he is
Beastly Boy
Mar 2022
#93
He is a populist. Populists don't particularly care about the parties they happen to affiliate with.
Beastly Boy
Mar 2022
#131
They were liberal Democratic populists. The three appellations are not incompatible at all
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#153
Nonsense. Populism is democratic and frequently liberal and Democratic
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#161
Good start, but you lost me in the middle at equating populism with disregard for law
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#173
Please, Don't drag FDR into this! He is not a populist, he is the establishment
Beastly Boy
Mar 2022
#177
You haven't tried to prove that smear by anything he wrote or said, despite ample access
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#118
I can gauge the damage he has done without contributing a single penny to his royalties.
Beastly Boy
Mar 2022
#148
Your excuse is hollow and avoidable. Still not evidence from what he said or wrote. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2022
#152
Posts 90 & 114 might help provide a few bits of context. Agreed, RU and the GOP is the threat. nt
FreepFryer
Mar 2022
#119
Hartmann has been advocating for grass roots involvement in the Democratic party
SalviaBlue
Mar 2022
#201
your reply reminded me of this slice of absolute superbness from the end of the noughties
Celerity
Mar 2022
#222