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Bernardo de La Paz

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110. I think that's a lie. I think you misread the OP, for whatever reasons, laxness possibly among them

Reply to betsuni (Reply #86)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 08:38 AM

Mar 2022

The OP wrote:

i heard people on his show saying they wouldn't vote because the party is corrupt. Have seen it here.

Somehow you transform that into Hartmann saying it.

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Heard some disturbing things on Hartman's program this week [View all] Cheezoholic Mar 2022 OP

Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #1

Yup. Thank you! Beakybird Mar 2022 #2

Will Rogers said it best: Conjuay Mar 2022 #200

That joke hit its sell-by date 70 years ago. If we can't unify NOW in 2022, the party is over... Hekate Mar 2022 #217

You have an obsession about this fact that is older than 5 years old Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #4

Bernardo please stop the personal attacks on me. I'm entitled to my opinion. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #7

Your opinions are way off base, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #13

+1 n/t ChazII Mar 2022 #72

Thank you so much. Seems as if someone here has a personal axe to grind Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #106

personally, I think his refusal WhiteTara Mar 2022 #165

You have a right to your minority opinion. live love laugh Mar 2022 #188

Your opinion that he is a spy is unfounded Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #17

I asked you to stop making (Nasty) personal attacks. And I never called him a "spy" (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #18

You implied it and put your toe over the line with "relationship with Russian military" Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #22

I've pointed to facts. You've just pointed at me and been nasty. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #25

5 years ago we knew what Russia and RT were doing to undermine our election and nation. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #21

Again you go with the spy accusation, calling him an "agent" with no evidence. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #24

His show was on Russia Today, a branch of Russian Military Intelligence. Now banned in the USA. nt FreepFryer Mar 2022 #28

+1 eShirl Mar 2022 #30

Still no evidence & certainly not current. Books? He wrote 30. Podcasts? Hundreds. You have nothing. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #36

Hartmann has never been banned in the USA. Your title smears. It's all you have, a smear Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #37

Welcome by some. Not by others. We'll see. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #38

That's right.. Not everyone thinks Cha Mar 2022 #202

... sheshe2 Mar 2022 #234

There's nothing personal in the response to you. live love laugh Mar 2022 #186

Just because he signed up on Democratic Underground doesn't make his profiting pnwmom Mar 2022 #57

Why did Russia want to promote Thom? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #59

To give the network credibility with Thom's progressive fan base. nt pnwmom Mar 2022 #62

exactly. WhiteTara Mar 2022 #194

Why has nobody succeeding in cancelling Hartmann on DU after more than 5 years? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #78

Why? Because of people like you WhiteTara Mar 2022 #167

Aloha! Cha Mar 2022 #203

aloha WhiteTara Mar 2022 #210

You too, White Tara.. Mahalo! Cha Mar 2022 #211

I'm not aware anyone has tried. I haven't seen him post anything pnwmom Mar 2022 #181

Exactly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #182

I don't know about being "a positive force," but he apparently has not crossed the line... Hekate Mar 2022 #218

Trumpism is older than five years. And this is a direct consequence of what happened in 2016. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #83

Funny how nobody provides links or quotes of Hartmann carrying Russian water or tRump water Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #102

That's a deflection Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #130

+1000 nt jrthin Mar 2022 #134

+1000. He lost me when he started bashing HRC..enough said PortTack Mar 2022 #170

+1 betsuni Mar 2022 #216

I remember that bashing LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #236

Bravo! Cha Mar 2022 #207

Because that wasn't the issue. The issue was that he condoned the network pnwmom Mar 2022 #183

Without links it's just a smear campaign. live love laugh Mar 2022 #189

He didn't have to. WhiteTara Mar 2022 #195

A Reality Check.. Refreshing.. TY! Cha Mar 2022 #204

What is your goal? You consistently for years now harangue about KPN Mar 2022 #65

Understanding sources of news is crucial. Hartmann's past is not fiction. RT is disinformation. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #76

Understanding sources of news is important. Key word: understanding, not making stuff up KPN Mar 2022 #91

I just explained it. RT means he is no voice for my party. That opinion is my right to have. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #99

You've still provided no evidence of what he has said and written Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #103

That's not a purpose. You haven't explained anything. Seems like you simply want to KPN Mar 2022 #111

Not at all, we can disagree vehemently on Hartmann without it automatically being my bad faith. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #113

+1 JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #229

✔️ live love laugh Mar 2022 #190

He was a willing host of a show on the Russian propaganda network, helping to legitimate the network pnwmom Mar 2022 #199

Wow. I've got to jump in here. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2022 #84

I appreciate the good faith you attribute to those w this concern. Thanks eyeball. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #90

I'm sure Hartmann calling the Ukrainian leadership Neo-Nazi was a complete coincidence. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #114

I remember this - it turned me off to his Opinions JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #230

I agree judesedit Mar 2022 #105

Nice rant Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #112

+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #150

Hartmann only left RT when DoJ wanted people on RT to register as foreign agents. NightWatcher Mar 2022 #197

Oh, horseshit. Magoo48 Mar 2022 #97

It's deserved. Trust is earned. And being supported by RT wasn't the way to earn it (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #101

1st out of the gate of course! Ferryboat Mar 2022 #3

I think you mean to reply to FreepFryer, not to the OP. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #5

You are right. The quote ( I don't remember who said it.) overleft Mar 2022 #6

Please explain specifically what you are talking about. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #14

I believe it is attributed to Ben Franklin. niyad Mar 2022 #60

niyad is correct. That's Franklin... paleotn Mar 2022 #96

What does this mean: eShirl Mar 2022 #8

Excellent question. Bothsidesism and sideways calls for political violence. Feels Russian (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #9

No no no, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #16

It means attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, etc. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #15

So where does the Bannon stuff come in? eShirl Mar 2022 #19

Bannon pushes attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #27

I just think it's weird to use Bannon as an example to model. eShirl Mar 2022 #32

Bannon is also known - among his base - as a leader and organizer. intheflow Mar 2022 #137

Bannon (equals sign) Satan eShirl Mar 2022 #146

Yeah, "Bannon" is Not Any Cha Mar 2022 #206

Using Bannon as an example for anything leaves a stink. He explicitly wants to overthrow the US. Hekate Mar 2022 #221

He's a Russian tool who only stopped being a tool when DoJ wanted people on RT to register for FARA NightWatcher Mar 2022 #10

+1 betsuni Mar 2022 #12

Your evidence is Hartmann saying the GOP is stupid more than 5 years ago. :eyes: Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #29

"Physically involved"? What "inner workings of the DNC"? betsuni Mar 2022 #11

Simple, but those with prejudice against TH can't imagine speaking at meetings, shaking hands, Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #20

"Prejudice against TH" "remember his show's relationship to Russian Military Intelligence" FreepFryer Mar 2022 #23

No, I don't remember Thom ever backing Russia, remind me please. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #31

Again, you give no evidence, least of all current evidence from his writings / podcasts / books. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #33

No evidence? That's hilarious. I'm realizing now you're just naysaying. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #34

You are the naysayer wanting to cancel Hartmann. Ball in your court. You have no evidence Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #39

"Cancel", eh? Hardly. Wow, that one is a classic right wing BS move. Thanks for the chuckle (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #41

Still you provide nothing he ever said or wrote. You have nothing. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #42

As I told you in another thread, you dont get to demand actions of others. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #44

You feel you are privileged because you are demanding actions of others, but nobody else can Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #50

I've done no such thing, you're flatly wrong. "Canceling" is bullshit. Have a great day! (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #51

Hmm. Thirty Books. sheshe2 Mar 2022 #235

Then I'm also naysaying, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #40

No, you don't understand the argument at all and are reduced to misrepresenting it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #43

Thanks for correcting my obvious ignorance! (nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #45

You are welcome. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #46

The evidence is that he took Russian money MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #64

Ah, the Bernie spectre is resuscitated again as a reason to fear Hartmann. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #71

Show us that he took MONEY, your allegation. PROVE IT. You can't. It's a dishonest smear. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #74

How can he prove Democrats are corrupt? betsuni Mar 2022 #86

I think that's a lie. I think you misread the OP, for whatever reasons, laxness possibly among them Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #110

"The neoliberal system Reagan and Clinton pioneered is collapsing under its own weight of corruption betsuni Mar 2022 #132

What is it with people can't provide links? And that is not what is claimed Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #138

Hartmann thinks the Democratic Party is corrupt, supports populism. betsuni Mar 2022 #142

SAME text I posted links for you twice. And it does NOT SAY what you think it does Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #151

He says the Democratic Party is corrupt. betsuni Mar 2022 #154

Wrong. He says the * Neoliberal system * is corrupt. Read: Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #156

He says Democrats are neoliberals and corrupt. betsuni Mar 2022 #158

But your links don't say that. And your text ignores Democratic populists. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #159

Yes my link does. Liberal Democrats aren't populists. betsuni Mar 2022 #160

Nope. Bernie Sanders does not view liberals as a roadblock. He is liberal. Or you think he is a CON? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #162

Who said Bernie said liberals are a roadblock? Where? betsuni Mar 2022 #164

Sanders is a liberal populist Democrat. You said populists can't be liberal or Democratic AND Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #171

Bernie is a democratic socialist, a populist, he is an independent. He is not a liberal Democrat. betsuni Mar 2022 #213

Um. RT hasn't disclosed his salary, strangely. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #88

Your allegation, ball in your court, put up credible links. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #98

The US government asking all contributors on RT to register MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #108

RT used to be popular on DemocraticUnderground around that time. Condemn DU? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #115

Yes, guilt by choosing to be MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #123

Still no credible links to anything he has said or written. And you continue to walk back the MONEY Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #127

Asking for people to take control of the DNC like MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #135

You smeared with "took money". Invoking Bannon is what-aboutism at best and diversion. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #139

Thom invoked Bannon. Not me. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #144

Bannon has nothing to do with your indefensible smear that Hartmann TOOK MONEY. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #155

Does working for someone not indicate "taking money?" MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #174

You are missing that he wasn't "working for them" Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #176

There's no burden of proof for me to meet, sorry. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #185

You said MONEY. You haven't provided any evidence of your smear that he TOOK MONEY Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #116

It's not a smear. He worked for RT. That's a fact. I'm not trying MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #126

You said "took MONEY", and provide no evidence. That is one of the smears. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #128

Democrats are accused of "taking money" all the time as if campaign contributions betsuni Mar 2022 #225

Why are you still fighting the 2016 primary? Emile Mar 2022 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Mar 2022 #92

I'm not. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #94

Lumping all Bernie primary voters not voting for Clinton IS REHASHING the 2016 election! Emile Mar 2022 #168

Wasn't what i said. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #172

I went back and reread your post and the key word "some" Emile Mar 2022 #175

My post never said Bernie primary voters didn't vote for Hillary. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #184

I know, it's a shame because many Bernie voters did vote for her. Emile Mar 2022 #187

I agree. The vast vast majority did, MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #191

True the vast majority did, but this is what you said: Bernie primary voters not voting for Clinton. Emile Mar 2022 #192

Again, not what i said. MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #193

Post 94 Emile Mar 2022 #198

OK you're correct. I said it MontanaFarmer Mar 2022 #205

His words are his words. Nothing to do with "prejudice." betsuni Mar 2022 #47

It is prejudice to imagine Hartmann means violence by "physical" INSTEAD of normal meet-and-greet.nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #48

No it's not, freedom of speech means you don't get to regulate interpretations, that's Russian. FreepFryer Mar 2022 #49

But you are "Russian" (your term) because you want to regulate interpretations of Hartmann Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #53

But what does getting "physically involved in the Democratic Party using Bannon pushing this betsuni Mar 2022 #52

It means attending meetings, door knocking, internal lobbying, speaking rather than posting, etc. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #55

BANNON. eShirl Mar 2022 #58

Have you listened to any of his pod casts? gab13by13 Mar 2022 #70

Bannon's? No. eShirl Mar 2022 #73

It's the myth that the Tea Party was "grassroots" and that there will be an alliance betsuni Mar 2022 #75

He's always pushed for local involvement.. grassroots mountain grammy Mar 2022 #122

Exactly. . .. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #124

Trump was a genuine Fascist Racist movement JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #231

OK now I get it, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #26

Bingo +1 Emile Mar 2022 #35

+1 Tommymac Mar 2022 #121

+1 leftstreet Mar 2022 #166

I listen to some of Thom Hartmann's program and Stephanie Miller on the Progressive doc03 Mar 2022 #54

+1. Some are doing everything they can to silence & deny one of the strongest Left voices. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #56

Democrats are not always right about everything, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #66

No they're not. I live in Connor's district vocally and visually supported him in his first campaign Tommymac Mar 2022 #212

PACs are not allowed to collaborate with campaigns. TexasTowelie Mar 2022 #237

Mostly agreed. Not too far left for me. Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #107

I'll stick with Urban Radio - Joe Madison and company JustAnotherGen Mar 2022 #232

Thom has a 50 year history of speaking for Progressive multigraincracker Mar 2022 #61

Thom Hartmann is a good Democrat... BlueJac Mar 2022 #63

Thank you all Traildogbob Mar 2022 #95

+1000 Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #125

The same rant Traildogbob Mar 2022 #145

+1 Celerity Mar 2022 #220

I heard that segment ybbor Mar 2022 #67

The county I live in was nearly 100% controlled by Democrats 20 years ago, now every single doc03 Mar 2022 #77

Well said, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #80

Those who claim the "party is corrupt" must explain why they think so, they need to provide proof Escurumbele Mar 2022 #68

I've been asking for years for evidence the party is corrupt and it never comes. betsuni Mar 2022 #79

Exactly what I want to know.. that's Cha Mar 2022 #209

lol fuck putin ! stonecutter357 Mar 2022 #69

Yep and All his Enablers to his fucking Death Squad.. Cha Mar 2022 #208

I listened to him once on Sirius mcar Mar 2022 #81

I hope you are right, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #104

I live in a county that was pure Democrat when I got here in '92 mcar Mar 2022 #141

Divided we fall DownriverDem Mar 2022 #82

+1. (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #85

His rantings indicate his lack of understanding of how the party works. LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #89

Hartmann is not a friend of liberal democracy, he is not a friend of the US Constitution, and he is Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #93

Of course he is a friend of the Democratic party! Emile Mar 2022 #100

He is a populist. Populists don't particularly care about the parties they happen to affiliate with. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #131

Hate to say this, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #140

FDR and Ted Kennedy weren't populists, they were liberal Democrats. betsuni Mar 2022 #143

They were liberal Democratic populists. The three appellations are not incompatible at all Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #153

No, not populists. Liberal Democrats. betsuni Mar 2022 #157

FDR and Ted Kennedy are not populists. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #163

Not a friend of liberal democracy or the Constitution? Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #109

I get this nonsense from the likes of Bannon and Trump Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #136

Populism is neither bad nor good. It's a method. Liberal In Texas Mar 2022 #147

Populism is antithetical to liberal democracy. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #149

Nonsense. Populism is democratic and frequently liberal and Democratic Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #161

You like the word "nonsense" a lot, don't you? Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #169

Good start, but you lost me in the middle at equating populism with disregard for law Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #173

Please, Don't drag FDR into this! He is not a populist, he is the establishment Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #177

You haven't tried to prove that smear by anything he wrote or said, despite ample access Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #118

I can gauge the damage he has done without contributing a single penny to his royalties. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #148

Your excuse is hollow and avoidable. Still not evidence from what he said or wrote. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #152

Your definition of evidence appears to be exceedingly narrow. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #178

My mistake. I thought we were discussing Thom Hartmann. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #179

Very observant. We do indeed. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #180

Reading The Comments Here... GB_RN Mar 2022 #117

Posts 90 & 114 might help provide a few bits of context. Agreed, RU and the GOP is the threat. nt FreepFryer Mar 2022 #119

In summary; gab13by13 Mar 2022 #120

Well, I see we are all on the same page. BlueJac Mar 2022 #129

I like listening to Hartmann Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #133

He left RT when he was required to register as a foreign agent. Hortensis Mar 2022 #233

We bdamomma Mar 2022 #196

Hartmann has been advocating for grass roots involvement in the Democratic party SalviaBlue Mar 2022 #201

Wow ..... Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #214

1965. What has that got to do with anything? betsuni Mar 2022 #215

Nothing, it has nothing to do with it Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #219

your reply reminded me of this slice of absolute superbness from the end of the noughties Celerity Mar 2022 #222

I gotta thing about suburbia Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #224

The Business - Suburban Rebels Celerity Mar 2022 #226

Woke my partner up lol Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #227

oopsie! (it is after 1 pm here) Celerity Mar 2022 #228

Apathy and defeatism is blaming Democrats for what Republicans do. betsuni Mar 2022 #223