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In reply to the discussion: UFO Hearing totally erased all other coverage. Not. [View all]Kid Berwyn
(14,907 posts)76. It's possible UFOs involve ETs, but I don't know.
Whatever the phenomenon is, it often wants to convey that impression that they are from another world.
I DO know UFO reports exist including eyewitness accounts and cases that left physical traces, such as burned bushes, radar tracks and photographs.
The sighting reported by Police Sgt. Lonnie Zamora is now largely forgotten (or never known), but was front page news when it happened:
In late afternoon on Friday, April 24, 1964, Socorro Police Sergeant Lonnie Zamora departed his cruiser on a rough and rocky dirt road to investigate an unidentified flying object which came to rest in an arroyo south of Socorro. The desolate, undeveloped area was primarily made up of mesquite and creosote bushes. What Sergeant Zamora witnessed at approximately 5:45 p.m. was an egg shaped craft traveling into Socorro from the south. It was later reported and documented as having been witnessed (in flight) by 5 tourists traveling through Socorro. Zamora, in an interview following the incident, stated that he witnessed a bluish flame and a loud roar coming from the direction of the arroyo.
Zamora approached the area where he believed the craft had landed. Zamora later stated that he had first seen the object from about 150 yards and believed it to be a car or some sort of vehicle in need of assistance. Zamora then radioed the Sheriffs Office about a possible accident he would be investigating. Zamora then contacted New Mexico State Police Sergeant Samuel Chavez, someone who Zamora trusted to assist in the investigation. After requesting the assistance of NMSP Sergeant Chavez, Zamora once again began approaching the object.
At about 50 feet from the object, Zamora noted seeing landing gear and a red insignia which he later drew for authorities. Zamora then noted bright blue flames and another loud roar until ultimately the object began lifting away from its resting place. Following the incident, many local residents visited the sight and witnessed not only burned bushes but also landing gear depressions in the ground. This incident has been recorded in many newspapers and magazine articles as well as written about in many books.
Source: https://www.socorronm.org/attractions/socorro-landing-a-ufo-story/
Others nearby that day also reported an egg shaped object: https://sentinel63.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/desert-encounter-with-the-unknown/
Jacques Vallee calls those who are behind that part of the phenomenon, the ones who make these things appear before our eyes, Messengers of Deception. They have an agenda. Whats on it, we can only guess.
I dont think there is such a thing as the flying saucer phenomenon. I think it has three components and we have to deal with them in different ways.
First, there is a physical object. That may be a flying saucer or it may be a projection or it may be something entirely different. All we know about it is that it represents a tremendous quantity of electromagnetic energy in a small volume. I say that based upon the evidence gathered from traces, from electromagnetic and radar detection and from perturbations of the electromagnetic fields such as Dr. Claude Poher, the French space scientist, has recorded.
Second, theres the phenomenon the witnesses perceive. What they tell us is that theyve seen a flying saucer. Now they may have seen that or they may have seen an image of a flying saucer or they may have hallucinated it under the influence of microwave radiation, or any of a number of things may have happened. The fact is that the witnesses were exposed to an event and as a result they experienced a highly complex alteration of perception which caused them to describe the object or objects that figure in their testimony.
Beyond those the physical phenomenon and the perception phenomenon we have the third component, the social phenomenon. Thats what happens when the reports are submitted to society and enter the cultural arena. Thats the part which I find most interesting."
SOURCE: http://integralnews.blogspot.com/2008/01/jacques-vallees-integral-approach-to.html
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The key to this whole question is a movie from 1950s, "The Day The Earth Stood Still"
Stuart G
May 2022
#35
When asked if any UAP reports included multiple types of data, they went dark.
Kid Berwyn
May 2022
#19
They have been here, & looked us over. Decided humans not "smart enough" to have contact with.
Stuart G
May 2022
#11
Ore to the point, public reports of UFOs and aliens tend to mirror the movies they've seen recently
brooklynite
May 2022
#64
Our phones are designed for portraits, close up pictures of us in everyday life
Mr. Sparkle
May 2022
#31
Unless there is an Alien invasion , the odds of a small number of professional photographers
Mr. Sparkle
May 2022
#57
Yes, posted before, But the key to this whole question is a movie: "The Day The Earth Stood Still"
Stuart G
May 2022
#36
Well, that's an interesting hypothesis - that films are convincing people they understand aliens
muriel_volestrangler
May 2022
#62
I don't know why it still surprises me how many people vehemently reject this topic
anarch
May 2022
#39
I think the government knows more than that, but the government is not going to tell it all.
Stuart G
May 2022
#55
I'm guessing people "reject this topic" because there's no evidence to support it...
brooklynite
May 2022
#56
Thanks, Kid, and hang in there! Amazing how "This is real" from the military (2017) gets forgotten
librechik
May 2022
#87