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H2O Man

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Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:50 PM Jun 2022

Trump and the Unspeakable [View all]

“Sociopaths are attracted to politics because the see it as a sphere in which you can be ruthless and step all over people. That fact that some politicians can tell such awful lies is another example of sociopathy. Sociopaths lie—they see nothing wrong with it.”
― Alexander McCall Smith, The Revolving Door of Life


Malaise posed two questions to start an interesting and important OP/thread two days ago Here is the link to it:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16796605

As happens when I read something of interest, I found myself thinking about it last night, when I watched the second Committee hearing for a third time. Indeed, I was thinking about it this morning, while watching highlights of yesterday's hearing on various news reports.

Malaise asked how a self-absorbed individual could do so much damage, and how so many numbskulls could join forces with him? Those are serious questions, deserving serious answers. I'd like to take a minute to expand upon what I said there, which was "a sociopath with access."

Ancient DU readers know that I like to use models to illustrate human dynamics. Today, the reader can pick an atom or solar system. A sociopath is at the center, and their gravitational force frequently brings others into their orbit. Erich Fromm goes into amazing detail about this in his 1973 classic, "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness." The closest beings to that center will be those who we know as having anti-social personality disorders. Let's just call them criminals, shall we?

The next layer will be potential criminals, usually men and women who are okay with what they often call "bending the rules," and we'll call lower level criminal behaviors. Then clusters of shit-dust entities, that want to wear uniforms and legally torture and kill human beings. These are those that stormed the Capital. Finally, there are Don, Jr. and Eric Trump, who enjoy killing defense animals on an African safari.

Having worked in forsensic mental health, especially in running the weekly county jail group, domestic abuse groups, and with some fellows released from state prison for a short vacation, I encountered a number of sociopaths. (Hint: they always try to disrupt groups.) They spanned the range from really fucking stupid to moderately intelligent. Yet they all shared an inability to really think ahead of the consequences of their destructive behaviors, something that led to not only self-destructiveness, but caused damage for the idiots around them. And for perfectly innocent people with the bad luck of being in their way.

Trump is really not much different that the fellows and one female sociopath I worked with. He might dress differently -- for now -- but the only real difference is that the social station he was born into allowed him to buy access. That included access to high society and to the media. Without the money, Trump is at best an inmate in the county jail. This, despite his uncle being a professor.

Much of high society rejected Trump as a buffoon. An obnoxious asshole. They were, of course, correct. This brings us to some of the republicans we witnessed providing testimony to the J6 Committee. Unlike in other countries, Trump did not have absolute power, such as his idol Putin has. Hence, when they witnessed his attempts to obtain that level of power, one of two things happened: they either quit or were fired.

But our system of government is distinct from Putin's Russia or Saddam's Iraq. It was preparing to eject the toxins from its system, based upon the 2020 election. The J6 Committee is documenting the multi-step effort of Team Trump to remain entrenched, despite the law. And we all know what happened as a result.

What we don't know yet is the extent of Russian influence. This isn't limited to what we know happened in thec 2016 presidential campaign. However, I shall reprise a lyric used in posts here back then ..... Trump and Putin are both white nationalists. Putin has the support of the white nationalists in Russia, which are para-military militias. And white nationalists in the US creamed their jeans when Trump was elected. He believed he could use them much like Putin does.

There are links, currently being investigated by the DOJ, regarding the linkages between the Russian and US white nationalist groups -- including "training" one of the Russian groups provided to at least one of the groups involved in the insurrection. I think at least one forum member posted about these connections recently.

If anyone has read this far, it should encourage you to work like hell to make sure we win the November elections. Our system of government is actually designed to prevent a Trump or his cult members from grabbing power. But our system depends upon the active involvement of its citizens.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Trump and the Unspeakable [View all] H2O Man Jun 2022 OP
r&k Excellent. ❤ MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #5
Bookmarking cilla4progress Jun 2022 #2
Huge point H2O Man Jun 2022 #7
Control what you can control. GOTV. Links and suggestions below. usonian Jun 2022 #3
Very good! H2O Man Jun 2022 #8
"And using humor to do so!" Instinctually, that seems right to me. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #24
I have mostly relied on pointing out contradiction usonian Jun 2022 #32
Very well said! H2O Man Jun 2022 #35
Good question. H2O Man Jun 2022 #34
Pretty much answers my question. Thanks. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #37
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #52
Great stuff. usonian Jun 2022 #54
Ha! H2O Man Jun 2022 #57
I am kind of new here but I learned one trick. usonian Jun 2022 #66
Thanks! I took a photgraphy break, two actually. It's THAT time. usonian Jun 2022 #28
I'm so enjoying your posts. Lots of personal history and dialog. You and H2Oman are a great team. erronis Jun 2022 #67
What? I'm on a roll at 73. usonian Jun 2022 #68
Thanks malaise Jun 2022 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jun 2022 #42
Saving Faux pas Jun 2022 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #10
...K&R... spanone Jun 2022 #6
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #11
Great post.. Permanut Jun 2022 #9
Perfect! H2O Man Jun 2022 #12
As usual... Solomon Jun 2022 #13
I think so. H2O Man Jun 2022 #14
Yes and I think the Russians have been infiltrating and bribing for years dlk Jun 2022 #29
Definitely. H2O Man Jun 2022 #36
Yes and I think the Russians have been infiltrating and bribing for years dlk Jun 2022 #30
Thank you. ancianita Jun 2022 #15
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #17
Excellent analysis as usual. We must GOTFV !! FailureToCommunicate Jun 2022 #16
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #18
How can systems best protect themselves from sociopaths? Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #19
Great question. H2O Man Jun 2022 #39
DEFINITELY a keeper. calimary Jun 2022 #20
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #40
Your model is completely correct! There is, on this and other planes, a Law of Attraction. I have Karadeniz Jun 2022 #21
The here and now and the eternal. Is there really a difference? jaxexpat Jun 2022 #26
No difference. H2O Man Jun 2022 #44
Thank you! You may have a point. In my Mind description, I refer to its energy as deriving from two Karadeniz Jun 2022 #63
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #43
Excellent Wild blueberry Jun 2022 #22
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #45
Too many people are like sheep dlk Jun 2022 #23
Right. H2O Man Jun 2022 #46
Thank you for your post dlk Jun 2022 #56
Thanks. I thought it was important. H2O Man Jun 2022 #58
Excellent! LoisB Jun 2022 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #47
Thanks for this thoughtful post, and I see a lot that I agree with here FakeNoose Jun 2022 #27
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #48
Accurate assessment. Caliman73 Jun 2022 #31
Mary is a wonderful lady. H2O Man Jun 2022 #49
Unfortunately lying can be a powerful tool in the hands of someone with very little morality. Caliman73 Jun 2022 #53
Exactly! H2O Man Jun 2022 #62
Speaking of lies... AmBlue Jun 2022 #69
OMG, H20 Man... thank you!!!!!! bluboid Jun 2022 #33
Thanks! H2O Man Jun 2022 #50
Thanks for a great response bro malaise Jun 2022 #38
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #51
Thank you Just_Vote_Dem Jun 2022 #55
Well thank you! H2O Man Jun 2022 #59
Well said as usual Saoirse9 Jun 2022 #60
Interesting. H2O Man Jun 2022 #64
Whether an atom or a solar system, there are for too many ... Martin Eden Jun 2022 #61
Absolutely right! H2O Man Jun 2022 #65
Kickin' Faux pas Jun 2022 #70
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