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kentuck

(112,491 posts)
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:39 AM Jul 2022

Why Trump called off his mob at 4:17 pm? [View all]

He was not talked into it. He did not do it because he thought it was the right thing to do.

He had gotten a message that Mike Pence had usurped his authority and called out the National Guard to "clear the Capitol". He did not have the people or the weapons in place to defeat the National Guard.

His plan was to declare "martial law".

The timeline:

At 2:12 pm, VP Pence was rushed off the Senate floor as the mob flooded inside.

Twelve minutes later, at 2:24pm, Trump tweeted, "Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify,”.

At 3:36pm, Kayleigh McEnany, tweeted that Trump had just called in the NG...We now know some of this is not true... We now know Trump was not the one who called in the NG, Pence did. Pence would have called them a few minutes earlier and someone informed Trump, who then informed McEnany to put out the tweet that he (Trump) was the one calling out the National Guard.

At 4:08pm, Pence placed an urgent phone call from the Capitol as rioters pummeled police and vandalized the building, informing Miller the Capitol was not secure and asking military leaders for a deadline for securing the building, according to a document prepared by the Pentagon for internal use that was obtained by The Associated Press.

“Clear the Capitol,” Pence had told them.

Nine minutes later, at 4:17 pm Trump, knowing that his mob was not in place and was going to be defeated and embarrassingly beaten down, tweeted his video message to his mob:

"I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."

Around the same time, Maryland and Virginia were sending National Guard and state troopers to the District of Columbia. Trump and his mob retreated.

I sincerely believe this is what happened.

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Just curious: could Trump cancel Pence's call for the NG? question everything Jul 2022 #1
Aside from the yes no maybe answer, I believe the NG was on its way Tetrachloride Jul 2022 #3
As I recall DENVERPOPS Jul 2022 #77
The "authorities" guarding the Capitol from inside wnylib Jul 2022 #82
There would have been a blood bath but the insurrectionists would. It have "won" bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #88
Which was the plan from the outset - throw in Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2022 #99
Absolutely. Bring the crowd to create the cover bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #102
I am fuzzy about this... Hugin Jul 2022 #9
Rep Steny Hoyer D-Md... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2022 #35
Thanks. Hugin Jul 2022 #41
Well, there was at least one repuke trying to do something, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #62
True. Hugin Jul 2022 #65
Treason. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #68
+1 n/t Hugin Jul 2022 #69
I remember this malaise Jul 2022 #64
As for me, Pence is still on the shit list for Presidential candidate. He enabled Trump too much ! Samrob Jul 2022 #66
Not sure I agree on that. If he was operating out of fear, he'd have capitulated to Trump... Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #101
Yes, Hoyer happened to have Hogan's number on his cell phone. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #103
IIRC, a Maryland rep had called governor Hogan viva la Jul 2022 #39
Hogan was able to send State Police long before the MD Guard, and he did. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #89
Hogan's NG troops were denied approval by DOD. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #104
Right, that says State National Guard, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #109
Hogan says in that article that he mobilized 200 "specially trained" state troopers. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #119
No, the State Police were a separate law enfocement entity sent MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #120
Got a link? The Forbes article says Hogan only had those two types of help to offer. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #121
Here, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #122
That just confirms the Forbes article. Hogan just sent NG and 200 state troopers. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #123
State troopers are state police MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #124
Yes, that's what I thought. Thanks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2022 #125
My pleasure. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #126
In order for MD and VA NG troops to enter DC, majdrfrtim Jul 2022 #47
Thanks, a very important grey area in the events. Hugin Jul 2022 #48
As I recall, Governor Hogan wanted to send in the Guard immediately but was prevented from doing so kentuck Jul 2022 #50
It clearly was part of the plan. Hugin Jul 2022 #54
It was VP Pence that authorized the deployment of the DC Guard after it became clear that MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #63
Okay, this is veering off into the undocumented. I did look up how the 25th can be invoked. Hugin Jul 2022 #74
That is an interesting theory, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #75
The Capitol is not actually under her jurisdiction. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #90
Your reference to POTUS being AWOL needs to be stressed more. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #51
Is there an "exigent circumstances" exception? jmowreader Jul 2022 #58
Virginia and Maryland State Troopers both arrived long before the Guard of each state. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #91
Statement by Acting Secretary Miller on Full Activation of D.C. National Guard (from Jan 6th) Manfred Arcane Jul 2022 #96
What was the timeline? kentuck Jul 2022 #105
As I remember the NG was initially sent in unarmed captain queeg Jul 2022 #2
He did not want anyone to restrain his mob. kentuck Jul 2022 #4
They were sent unarmed prior to the riot to be used in traffic interdiction bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #92
You have no disagreement from me, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #5
25th Amendment. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #6
That is interesting. kentuck Jul 2022 #8
It couldn't have happened on January 6th FakeNoose Jul 2022 #18
Maybe he had a quick change of mind? Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #28
I would have to look, but I seem to remember there are several mixes to invoke the 25th. Hugin Jul 2022 #73
Interesting point Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #29
That is an interesting question duckworth969 Jul 2022 #84
A "Shoot on Sight" order BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #7
Should have happened soon as they breached the front doors violently. oldsoftie Jul 2022 #79
It has been reported that they found a month's supply of food inside the DC area... kentuck Jul 2022 #10
Who reported that? BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #11
Edited: kentuck Jul 2022 #13
And to complement a month's supply of food KS Toronado Jul 2022 #20
Thanks! BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #25
I also heard the same thing from Figliuzzi. The armed militia groups were very well prepared... Hekate Jul 2022 #45
Just preppers being preppers. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #61
When people get killed & those in the Line of Succession (i.e. VP & Speaker) are actively threatened Hekate Jul 2022 #95
These were not preppers, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #110
Agreed they were everything you say they were. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #116
I can definitely agree with that MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #117
It's also a huge industry. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #118
I've never seen or heard this. 👀👀 Nevilledog Jul 2022 #12
This one is always odd to me. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #93
If the insurrectionists had secured the capitol, laid siege to it MyMission Jul 2022 #106
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #111
They did not bring a months worth of food with them to the capitol so.... bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #112
This was first reported by Frank Figliuzzi on MSNBC... kentuck Jul 2022 #113
Couldn't the J6 committe confirm who called the National Guard? 867-5309. Jul 2022 #14
Pence called in the guard...it was widely known after the insurrection. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #44
That's why everybody went home instead of being carted off to jail FakeNoose Jul 2022 #15
That's the first time I've heard that... That trump wanted Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2022 #100
I thought it was because dianaredwing Jul 2022 #16
Why exactly did Trump give his video message at 4:17? kentuck Jul 2022 #17
The topic for this week's hearing: Trump's (in)actions while the attack was happening. sop Jul 2022 #19
It's going to be very interesting... kentuck Jul 2022 #21
He was informed that Pence had sent the guard in from VA and from Maryland so he knew Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #46
I think you are right... kentuck Jul 2022 #49
My God America. Lock his orange ass up. He will do it again. It's like Uvalde. Can't get out of Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #22
This is interesting pandr32 Jul 2022 #23
I didn't realize it was minutes after Pence called in the National Guard. Novara Jul 2022 #24
You are really getting deep into his head now... kentuck Jul 2022 #31
Oh fuck! I don't wanna be THERE! Novara Jul 2022 #32
But that is exactly how he thinks. kentuck Jul 2022 #33
Yep. After six years in our everyday consciousness he's pretty damned transparent to most everybody Novara Jul 2022 #42
I think that makes sense when you think about it. Trump only thinks of trump. nt oldsoftie Jul 2022 #81
👍 Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #26
Its really a moot point if it was TFG or not LiberalLovinLug Jul 2022 #27
Yup. nt SunSeeker Jul 2022 #30
Martial Law? Roc2020 Jul 2022 #34
Since he did not anticipate the National Guard showing up... kentuck Jul 2022 #38
For sure Roc2020 Jul 2022 #70
is anyone in dc looking into the pipe bombs ?. only sen a few referemces on here . AllaN01Bear Jul 2022 #36
It's still a mystery? kentuck Jul 2022 #57
They were a diversion to draw the police away from the Capitol bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #94
"is anyone in dc looking into the pipe bombs ?. only sen a few referemces on here .' BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #59
Exactly. The insurrectionists started leaving MineralMan Jul 2022 #37
By 4:17pm he knew the bombs weren't going to go off bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #40
Don't forget acting DoD head Cristopher Miller's letter not to employ the NG without his say so. panader0 Jul 2022 #43
This is crucial. AnrothElf Jul 2022 #97
Didn't Biden make a public announcement to clear it as well. Even BEFORE Pence did? flying_wahini Jul 2022 #52
Yes, I think Biden did make a public call for them to clear the Capitol... kentuck Jul 2022 #53
What time did Pence refuse to get in the car and leave? GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #55
Good question. kentuck Jul 2022 #56
Sometimes the truth is so strange... kentuck Jul 2022 #60
Not sure. Pence is not in the chain of command... Grins Jul 2022 #67
Wikipedia has a fairly extensive J6 timeline w/ interesting details about the Ntl Guard. Really allegorical oracle Jul 2022 #71
A lot of info! kentuck Jul 2022 #83
I want someone to map out this part of the insurrection plot. Justice Jul 2022 #115
The AP article is here - I looked for it b/c I had not previously read it - Justice Jul 2022 #72
The Guard did. It arrive at the US Capitol until 5:45 bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #86
Trump wanted mob rule not martial law. KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #76
Coup Commander Flynn probably explained it to him ecstatic Jul 2022 #78
i was going to say slightlv Jul 2022 #85
That sure passes my gut check. Great post kentuck. c-rational Jul 2022 #80
This thread begs for a 4:20 joke. nt TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #87
... orangecrush Jul 2022 #98
Oh hell, why not? calimary Jul 2022 #127
That is entirely plausible and I believe you nailed it. Nt Trueblue Texan Jul 2022 #107
Can America handle the truth? kentuck Jul 2022 #108
I think we'll know soon enough. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #114
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