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kentuck

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83. A lot of info!

Mon Jul 18, 2022, 08:16 PM

Jul 2022

Thanks!

I found several interesting notes in them, including this one: November 9:

Trump fires Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and replaces him with Christopher C. Miller as acting Secretary.[21][22][23][24] In response to the firings, CIA Director Gina Haspel privately tells Chair of the Joint Chiefs Milley that "we are on the way to a right-wing coup"

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Why Trump called off his mob at 4:17 pm? [View all] kentuck Jul 2022 OP

Just curious: could Trump cancel Pence's call for the NG? question everything Jul 2022 #1

Aside from the yes no maybe answer, I believe the NG was on its way Tetrachloride Jul 2022 #3

As I recall DENVERPOPS Jul 2022 #77

The "authorities" guarding the Capitol from inside wnylib Jul 2022 #82

There would have been a blood bath but the insurrectionists would. It have "won" bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #88

Which was the plan from the outset - throw in Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2022 #99

Absolutely. Bring the crowd to create the cover bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #102

I am fuzzy about this... Hugin Jul 2022 #9

Rep Steny Hoyer D-Md... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2022 #35

Thanks. Hugin Jul 2022 #41

Well, there was at least one repuke trying to do something, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #62

True. Hugin Jul 2022 #65

Treason. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #68

+1 n/t Hugin Jul 2022 #69

I remember this malaise Jul 2022 #64

As for me, Pence is still on the shit list for Presidential candidate. He enabled Trump too much ! Samrob Jul 2022 #66

Not sure I agree on that. If he was operating out of fear, he'd have capitulated to Trump... Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #101

Yes, Hoyer happened to have Hogan's number on his cell phone. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #103

IIRC, a Maryland rep had called governor Hogan viva la Jul 2022 #39

Hogan was able to send State Police long before the MD Guard, and he did. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #89

Hogan's NG troops were denied approval by DOD. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #104

Right, that says State National Guard, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #109

Hogan says in that article that he mobilized 200 "specially trained" state troopers. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #119

No, the State Police were a separate law enfocement entity sent MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #120

Got a link? The Forbes article says Hogan only had those two types of help to offer. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #121

Here, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #122

That just confirms the Forbes article. Hogan just sent NG and 200 state troopers. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #123

State troopers are state police MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #124

Yes, that's what I thought. Thanks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2022 #125

My pleasure. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #126

In order for MD and VA NG troops to enter DC, majdrfrtim Jul 2022 #47

Thanks, a very important grey area in the events. Hugin Jul 2022 #48

As I recall, Governor Hogan wanted to send in the Guard immediately but was prevented from doing so kentuck Jul 2022 #50

It clearly was part of the plan. Hugin Jul 2022 #54

It was VP Pence that authorized the deployment of the DC Guard after it became clear that MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #63

Okay, this is veering off into the undocumented. I did look up how the 25th can be invoked. Hugin Jul 2022 #74

That is an interesting theory, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #75

The Capitol is not actually under her jurisdiction. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #90

Your reference to POTUS being AWOL needs to be stressed more. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #51

Is there an "exigent circumstances" exception? jmowreader Jul 2022 #58

Virginia and Maryland State Troopers both arrived long before the Guard of each state. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #91

Statement by Acting Secretary Miller on Full Activation of D.C. National Guard (from Jan 6th) Manfred Arcane Jul 2022 #96

What was the timeline? kentuck Jul 2022 #105

As I remember the NG was initially sent in unarmed captain queeg Jul 2022 #2

He did not want anyone to restrain his mob. kentuck Jul 2022 #4

They were sent unarmed prior to the riot to be used in traffic interdiction bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #92

You have no disagreement from me, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #5

25th Amendment. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #6

That is interesting. kentuck Jul 2022 #8

It couldn't have happened on January 6th FakeNoose Jul 2022 #18

Maybe he had a quick change of mind? Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #28

I would have to look, but I seem to remember there are several mixes to invoke the 25th. Hugin Jul 2022 #73

Interesting point Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #29

That is an interesting question duckworth969 Jul 2022 #84

A "Shoot on Sight" order BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #7

Should have happened soon as they breached the front doors violently. oldsoftie Jul 2022 #79

It has been reported that they found a month's supply of food inside the DC area... kentuck Jul 2022 #10

Who reported that? BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #11

Edited: kentuck Jul 2022 #13

And to complement a month's supply of food KS Toronado Jul 2022 #20

Thanks! BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #25

I also heard the same thing from Figliuzzi. The armed militia groups were very well prepared... Hekate Jul 2022 #45

Just preppers being preppers. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #61

When people get killed & those in the Line of Succession (i.e. VP & Speaker) are actively threatened Hekate Jul 2022 #95

These were not preppers, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #110

Agreed they were everything you say they were. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #116

I can definitely agree with that MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #117

It's also a huge industry. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #118

I've never seen or heard this. 👀👀 Nevilledog Jul 2022 #12

This one is always odd to me. bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #93

If the insurrectionists had secured the capitol, laid siege to it MyMission Jul 2022 #106

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #111

They did not bring a months worth of food with them to the capitol so.... bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #112

This was first reported by Frank Figliuzzi on MSNBC... kentuck Jul 2022 #113

Couldn't the J6 committe confirm who called the National Guard? 867-5309. Jul 2022 #14

Pence called in the guard...it was widely known after the insurrection. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #44

That's why everybody went home instead of being carted off to jail FakeNoose Jul 2022 #15

That's the first time I've heard that... That trump wanted Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2022 #100

I thought it was because dianaredwing Jul 2022 #16

Why exactly did Trump give his video message at 4:17? kentuck Jul 2022 #17

The topic for this week's hearing: Trump's (in)actions while the attack was happening. sop Jul 2022 #19

It's going to be very interesting... kentuck Jul 2022 #21

He was informed that Pence had sent the guard in from VA and from Maryland so he knew Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #46

I think you are right... kentuck Jul 2022 #49

My God America. Lock his orange ass up. He will do it again. It's like Uvalde. Can't get out of Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #22

This is interesting pandr32 Jul 2022 #23

I didn't realize it was minutes after Pence called in the National Guard. Novara Jul 2022 #24

You are really getting deep into his head now... kentuck Jul 2022 #31

Oh fuck! I don't wanna be THERE! Novara Jul 2022 #32

But that is exactly how he thinks. kentuck Jul 2022 #33

Yep. After six years in our everyday consciousness he's pretty damned transparent to most everybody Novara Jul 2022 #42

I think that makes sense when you think about it. Trump only thinks of trump. nt oldsoftie Jul 2022 #81

👍 Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #26

Its really a moot point if it was TFG or not LiberalLovinLug Jul 2022 #27

Yup. nt SunSeeker Jul 2022 #30

Martial Law? Roc2020 Jul 2022 #34

Since he did not anticipate the National Guard showing up... kentuck Jul 2022 #38

For sure Roc2020 Jul 2022 #70

is anyone in dc looking into the pipe bombs ?. only sen a few referemces on here . AllaN01Bear Jul 2022 #36

It's still a mystery? kentuck Jul 2022 #57

They were a diversion to draw the police away from the Capitol bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #94

"is anyone in dc looking into the pipe bombs ?. only sen a few referemces on here .' BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #59

Exactly. The insurrectionists started leaving MineralMan Jul 2022 #37

By 4:17pm he knew the bombs weren't going to go off bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #40

Don't forget acting DoD head Cristopher Miller's letter not to employ the NG without his say so. panader0 Jul 2022 #43

This is crucial. AnrothElf Jul 2022 #97

Didn't Biden make a public announcement to clear it as well. Even BEFORE Pence did? flying_wahini Jul 2022 #52

Yes, I think Biden did make a public call for them to clear the Capitol... kentuck Jul 2022 #53

What time did Pence refuse to get in the car and leave? GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #55

Good question. kentuck Jul 2022 #56

Sometimes the truth is so strange... kentuck Jul 2022 #60

Not sure. Pence is not in the chain of command... Grins Jul 2022 #67

Wikipedia has a fairly extensive J6 timeline w/ interesting details about the Ntl Guard. Really allegorical oracle Jul 2022 #71

A lot of info! kentuck Jul 2022 #83

I want someone to map out this part of the insurrection plot. Justice Jul 2022 #115

The AP article is here - I looked for it b/c I had not previously read it - Justice Jul 2022 #72

The Guard did. It arrive at the US Capitol until 5:45 bottomofthehill Jul 2022 #86

Trump wanted mob rule not martial law. KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #76

Coup Commander Flynn probably explained it to him ecstatic Jul 2022 #78

i was going to say slightlv Jul 2022 #85

That sure passes my gut check. Great post kentuck. c-rational Jul 2022 #80

This thread begs for a 4:20 joke. nt TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #87

... orangecrush Jul 2022 #98

Oh hell, why not? calimary Jul 2022 #127

That is entirely plausible and I believe you nailed it. Nt Trueblue Texan Jul 2022 #107

Can America handle the truth? kentuck Jul 2022 #108

I think we'll know soon enough. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #114