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32. Is The Hill doing satire now?

Wed Aug 3, 2022, 10:30 PM

Aug 2022

AOC has some admirable qualities to be sure, and she may be a good future candidate for higher office in the years ahead, but I REALLY wish people would quit trying to write Joe Biden's political obituary right now, especially when he's starting to have a good streak of legislative accomplishments at the moment and we're more than two years out from 2024 and there's been no indication that he's *not* running for re-election.

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AOC is the Democrats' best shot against Trump in 2024 [View all] 867-5309. Aug 2022 OP

Let's finish 2022 first. Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #1

Agree 100% but for the progressive movement to continue&thrive, AOC's the clear "heir to the throne" InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #49

You mean like Bernie Sanders was in the last election? nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #177

What are they smokin??? redstatebluegirl Aug 2022 #2

I was wondering the same thing LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #8

Oh boy. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #36

Me, too. shrike3 Aug 2022 #38

They're just trying to sow discord. IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2022 #191

So who's going to be her Secretary of State? dalton99a Aug 2022 #3

I would consider Bernie for SoS, but would rather he accept the VP slot. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #50

Bahahahahaha BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #112

Wasn't this posted earlier and alerted on. brush Aug 2022 #4

Why doesn't this belong here? Dave says Aug 2022 #147

Advocating pirmarying a sitting Democratic president... brush Aug 2022 #150

I agree with that Dave says Aug 2022 #167

Sorry claudette Aug 2022 #5

no need to be sorry claudette... democratsruletheday Aug 2022 #33

Well if AOC decides to run, maybe we should let the voters decide. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #62

Absolutely!! claudette Aug 2022 #87

She is talanted but she won't make it through a primary after being cast as the bad guy like Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #138

So you are advocating she primary a popular sitting Democratic President? sheshe2 Aug 2022 #270

P l e a s e N o. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #6

is she old enuff? nt msongs Aug 2022 #7

yes, by 99 days Celerity Aug 2022 #86

I think it's more like 27 days. She was born on... brush Aug 2022 #172

no, to be sworn in as POTUS in the 2024 lection, you have to be 35yo on or before January 20th, 2025 Celerity Aug 2022 #223

no, to be sworn in as POTUS in the 2024 lection, you have to be 35yo on or before January 20th, 2025 Celerity Aug 2022 #224

Barely. Wednesdays Aug 2022 #166

Oh, lord. Scrivener7 Aug 2022 #9

I agree with your sentiments. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #199

Love AOC and I think she has a chance of.. mvd Aug 2022 #10

Of course, if Biden runs for a second term, that changes the political equation. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #51

Please close this topic. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 a kennedy Aug 2022 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Dave says Aug 2022 #148

Many of her own party can't stand her nini Aug 2022 #12

There seem to be reasons, fox made her a 'national figure' empedocles Aug 2022 #24

No Kidding! Cha Aug 2022 #175

wanna know who else got this handled? PETE JuJuChen Aug 2022 #13

It is gonna be Gavin Newsom boston bean Aug 2022 #16

No, not unless we want to lose. He can't win the rustbelt. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #22

I think you are wrong. Respectfully. boston bean Aug 2022 #27

I live in Ohio...he won't win. Not only will he be consider way to liberal but he is from Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #102

It will be seen. boston bean Aug 2022 #106

Newsom is on the top of my list PatSeg Aug 2022 #123

He won't get out of the primary...but we shall see. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #139

I also believe he would be radioactive here in PA Amishman Aug 2022 #226

He won't win in the south either DashOneBravo Aug 2022 #256

Not sure Gavin would be progressive enough to win, but maybe...have to consider his platform. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #52

Progressive? Newsom is planning to build a facility to provide affordable insulin to Californians. Hekate Aug 2022 #72

"Progressive" has nothing to do with policies and actions and reality. betsuni Aug 2022 #80

Ah yes, moral purity. Thank you for reminding me. Hekate Aug 2022 #95

Popularism. THEM vs US. betsuni Aug 2022 #98

In any nation on earth, including ours, I'd be in Joe Biden's party. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #197

The actual real world. betsuni Aug 2022 #210

Precisely! Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #216

LOL boston bean Aug 2022 #14

Is this satire? WA-03 Democrat Aug 2022 #15

I am also wondering about this LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #28

What? Me. Aug 2022 #17

Yes. betsuni Aug 2022 #103

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Initech Aug 2022 #18

LOL! Ocelot II Aug 2022 #19

In other news........... DFW Aug 2022 #23

I love AOC, but, no. She won't even turn 35 til 3 weeks before the election. Tarc Aug 2022 #20

Absolutely not. She is in a deep blue district and could not win a national election...Biden will Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #21

I like AOC, but give me a break, 867-5309 (Jenny). skylucy Aug 2022 #25

... mcar Aug 2022 #26

I remember some folks said the same thing about Barack Obama. kentuck Aug 2022 #29

If she ran for Speaker she'd lose. Bigly. onenote Aug 2022 #31

Forty-two percent of Americans had an unfavorable view of her in May. shrike3 Aug 2022 #42

☝️THIS!!!☝️ InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #53

Obama was not a self-avowed socialist. She has no chance... brush Aug 2022 #55

If Bernie were to run again, I guaran-damn-tee you he'd win the nomination & the presidency!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #58

Nah, ya don't know your country well. It's not ready... brush Aug 2022 #61

I respectfully disagree. Much of the Democrat's progressive agenda has been driven by Bernie's ideas InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #63

If he can't get the Dem nomination, he sure won't get... brush Aug 2022 #67

If Bernie doesn't win the nomination - assumin he runs - so be it... that's called democracy!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #68

Bernie won't primary a sitting Dem president. brush Aug 2022 #71

I agree 100%... this all assumes Joe decides NOT to run in 2024. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #74

How old is Bernie? Hekate Aug 2022 #66

So what?! Bernie is as spry as a 60-year-old... I stand proudly against ageism. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #70

Good. So is Joe Biden Hekate Aug 2022 #73

Yes, and as I've said repeatedly, if Joe runs, the nomination is pretty much his for the taking. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #75

No he wouldn't. He tired twice and lost both times. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #190

Oh no! Not the Socialist tag! AntivaxHunters Aug 2022 #115

I can't believe how little some know about the history of their own country. brush Aug 2022 #135

Sure AntivaxHunters Aug 2022 #154

The greatest, boomers and genXers who still feel... brush Aug 2022 #163

Boomers and the Greatest voted for Trump. Gen X only went 3% for Biden. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #171

Huh? That doesn't make sense. It's well known... brush Aug 2022 #174

What doesn't make sense to you? Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #181

You can't stop them from voting. Hoping they don't vote... brush Aug 2022 #183

She's not a socialist. But don't let that bother you. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #117

AOC is "DSA's [Democratic Socialists of America] foremost socialist superstar." betsuni Aug 2022 #136

Democratic Socialists are not socialists as you are using the term. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #142

Wasn't me saying it. These quote things, " ", mean somebody else said it. betsuni Aug 2022 #146

I thought you were also who I initially responding to but see now it was kentuck Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #151

Well, lots of people are confused. betsuni Aug 2022 #152

Sanders used it as an example of Democratic Socialism not socialism. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #161

This is a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party. betsuni Aug 2022 #176

Yeah, and AOC, the topic of the OP, has a big fat D after her name, Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #182

I didn't "throw out incorrect labels" so I don't know what your point is, exactly. betsuni Aug 2022 #196

And that IS NOT the same as "socialist." Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #200

I never said it was. betsuni Aug 2022 #209

LOL. No it is not. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #206

I think it's uncool not to know the reality of how socialism... brush Aug 2022 #232

And you think that won't stop opponents from going after her... brush Aug 2022 #231

Democratic Socialists are not Social Democrats. OilemFirchen Aug 2022 #189

That supports my argument. Thanks. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #201

Green skies and blue grass forever! OilemFirchen Aug 2022 #203

If not, why has she said it many times? brush Aug 2022 #230

Barack Obama was still so new, conservative propaganda hadn't sunk their teeth into him yet. W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #83

Yes, attacks that he was nothing but a celebrity, palled around with terrorists were weak. betsuni Aug 2022 #93

Lest we forget... kentuck Aug 2022 #90

I like her mostly...but she simply can't win a national election at this point...that could change Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #104

Happy to see this from a much respected poster 867-5309. Aug 2022 #118

Thought this was the Onion. onenote Aug 2022 #30

Is The Hill doing satire now? Mad_Machine76 Aug 2022 #32

Just please stop. n/t yorkster Aug 2022 #34

Probably not Timewas Aug 2022 #35

LOL FrankBooth Aug 2022 #37

Is she old enough? jalan48 Aug 2022 #39

She'd just clear it by election day 2024. Birthday in October, when she'll hit 35 JHB Aug 2022 #43

Hard to see someone 35, man or woman, getting elected President jalan48 Aug 2022 #45

it's a fantasy scenario anyway, just one that is technically possible. JHB Aug 2022 #48

In AOC's case it wouldnt be easy, but her strong appeal to younger voters shouldnt be underestimated InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #60

My understanding is young voters aren't dependable voters. They may not turn out. jalan48 Aug 2022 #64

They didn't turn up for Bernie...I don't think we can rely on such voters. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #105

+1 betsuni Aug 2022 #108

Boom They'll Turn Up for Pres Joe Biden Cha Aug 2022 #178

I'd vote for her in a second! AntivaxHunters Aug 2022 #40

Me... in a NANOsecond!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2022 #54

... sheshe2 Aug 2022 #41

That would be the GOP's dream kcr Aug 2022 #44

This RobinA Aug 2022 #99

Sure, let's jump to another "woogy-boogy" target of RW bile... JHB Aug 2022 #46

Uh. No Takket Aug 2022 #47

The GOP does that to every Democrat AntivaxHunters Aug 2022 #116

Only if we want to be royally defeated. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2022 #56

Well, that's imaginative. It's also wrong. highplainsdem Aug 2022 #57

Possibly ColinC Aug 2022 #59

It's too late for her. W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #65

+1 betsuni Aug 2022 #81

What attacks did she believe about a fellow Democrat that are the same as 867-5309. Aug 2022 #127

"establishment Democrat" betsuni Aug 2022 #134

That Hillary was corrupt. W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #157

Let's not rehash old campaigns 867-5309. Aug 2022 #164

LEARN from History's MISTAKES Cha Aug 2022 #188

"Established" Dems Are Getting Shit Cha Aug 2022 #173

Thank you! dmr Aug 2022 #184

You're Welcome, dmr.. Cha Aug 2022 #185

Trashed. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #69

"Jenny I got your number!" herding cats Aug 2022 #76

You know the Hill is a RW outlet, right? Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #77

It's been all over Breitbart, where it originated and JoanofArgh Aug 2022 #89

+1 betsuni Aug 2022 #94

"Election deniers rack up wins, fueling concerns in both parties" 867-5309. Aug 2022 #120

I don't think picking the top bean off the pile provides Torchlight Aug 2022 #132

No it's not. Jesus. Cuthbert Allgood Aug 2022 #234

This is an audition. Author's worked for three presidential campaigns. betsuni Aug 2022 #78

Let's win the midterms first. All of this speculation is intended to divide and conquer lees1975 Aug 2022 #79

This. nt Wednesdays Aug 2022 #170

If she's the nominee I'll vote for her. GoodRaisin Aug 2022 #82

the Hill? Why not let Trump pick our candidate? Hamlette Aug 2022 #84

I predict now. Trump will be in jail Captain Zero Aug 2022 #85

This originated on Breitbart and Has been all JoanofArgh Aug 2022 #88

If she's the nominee I'll vote for her too! Emile Aug 2022 #91

She has zero shot atm to win a general, the US is too slanted to the right, plus AOC lacks the Celerity Aug 2022 #92

This does make me sad you know...she is very talented. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #107

The US is what the US is, and the very flawed system for POTUS we have pretty much blocks an AOC Celerity Aug 2022 #110

Now if Fetterman is healthy in 28, l could Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #124

You continue to suggest that leading Democratic Socialists are mistaken about their own ideological Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #128

That is both snarky and incorrect. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #137

No, it is sincere and directly on point. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #141

Oh give me a break...there are Democrats and then there are Democratic socialists...I assume Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #192

Quoting the always infallible Wikipedia page on AOC: Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #195

Well. I vote for Democrats in primaries. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #219

Celerity is a great DU'er and you should consider that attacking other DU'ers is not what we do Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #193

I didn't attack anyone. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #194

thank you Demsrule86 Celerity Aug 2022 #212

Regulation is indeed the key. Look how some of the corporations ran up prices while ye,limg about Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #220

They are NOT democratic socialists, regardless of their incorrect self-labelling. They simply do not Celerity Aug 2022 #208

I think you are dead wrong not to believe Sanders and Occasio-Cortez when they tell you Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #236

Absolutely not, they do not fit the definition. I have shown their definitions of what they claim Celerity Aug 2022 #247

Quite to the contrary. They do meet the definitions and I've provided the evidence Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #248

No you have not provided the evidence you claim. Not at all. You simply rely on the same thing Celerity Aug 2022 #249

That's not true. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #250

My replies all stand, and I feel confident that I have more than made the case that I am the correct Celerity Aug 2022 #253

No, you refuse to accept the clear evidence that both AOC and Sanders embrace Democratic Socialism Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #254

This is factually not true: Celerity Aug 2022 #255

Social Democrats do not believe that capitalism is irredeemable. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #257

what? Celerity Aug 2022 #259

I was foiled by a spell check accident which undid my entire point. Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #260

ok, that makes sense Celerity Aug 2022 #261

Here is an article you may enjoy: Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #262

and here is a reply to it from the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) Celerity Aug 2022 #267

That it exactly it...the word socialism scares people but we do have things like the ACA Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #268

There is a difference between Democratic Socialists... brush Aug 2022 #233

I believe they know the difference between Democratic Socialism Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #235

That quote of hers will follow her forever. brush Aug 2022 #237

It isn't just the quote. She openly aligns with the DSA and antipathy to capitalism Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #238

You and me both. IMO capitalism just naturally evolves... brush Aug 2022 #239

IMO the best thing we could do as a party is to encourage young people Just A Box Of Rain Aug 2022 #240

Well said. brush Aug 2022 #241

She'll have been in the House six years or so 867-5309. Aug 2022 #114

He was a constitutional law professor. MrsCoffee Aug 2022 #119

I don't think a position as a college professor is that much of a gulf 867-5309. Aug 2022 #125

Lol, ok. MrsCoffee Aug 2022 #143

She is not Obama. And he was a Senator. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #121

And he isn't AOC 867-5309. Aug 2022 #126

You believe there is little to no variance in their experience in governance? Torchlight Aug 2022 #129

The evidence is.. 867-5309. Aug 2022 #158

And Google illustrates for all of us the dramatically wide variance of their experience. Torchlight Aug 2022 #159

Their experience isn't an objective measure of experience? 867-5309. Aug 2022 #162

I'm simply asking you to to support your own assertion Torchlight Aug 2022 #165

This dance has gotten old 867-5309. Aug 2022 #168

I have not asserted Obama is better. You are arguing points I didn't make. Torchlight Aug 2022 #169

She needs to gain experience and maybe run for the Senate. She has real talent and if she is pushed Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #269

One if my favorite things to do is fish obamanut2012 Aug 2022 #96

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 OBrien Aug 2022 #97

Oh ffs. MrsCoffee Aug 2022 #100

+1 betsuni Aug 2022 #101

I'm planning on voting for Biden in the 2024 election. Period. Torchlight Aug 2022 #109

Michael Starr Hopkins must have actual shit for brains. BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #111

Giant Meteor 2024 Baggies Aug 2022 #113

I saw a bumper sticker yesterday saying that lol AntivaxHunters Aug 2022 #122

Wish I had thought of it first Baggies Aug 2022 #130

McGovern. LAS14 Aug 2022 #131

Ah. It came from The Hill. Novara Aug 2022 #133

Hate to say it, but if that happened you might as well just call it for Trump. Vinca Aug 2022 #140

Obama is LeftInTX Aug 2022 #246

Ridiculous we can do it Aug 2022 #144

She's way too polarizing. We would lose almost every state. I can see her in a future POTUS' cabin beaglelover Aug 2022 #145

Agree. She'll never be POTUS in my view BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #186

I believe that if AOC were to win the nomination and ultimately the Presidency, Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #149

I'm not agreeing with this until we hear that Joe Biden is definitely NOT running FakeNoose Aug 2022 #153

NOPE. Happy Hoosier Aug 2022 #155

A little premature I think Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2022 #156

Sigh... I have great respect for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, but not for self declared "progressives..." NNadir Aug 2022 #160

Is this an Onion or Borowitz article? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #179

Only to people who live outside Manhattan or DC BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #187

I believe she'll be a Presidential candidate some day but not for a while Arazi Aug 2022 #180

What New Green Deal? sheshe2 Aug 2022 #207

"his ideas." betsuni Aug 2022 #211

and took it from him, yep. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #214

Thomas Friedman coined New Green Deal in 2007, Obama ran for president with a New Green Deal betsuni Aug 2022 #215

Thank you for the info!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2022 #217

Seven minute abs. betsuni Aug 2022 #218

Nope Arazi Aug 2022 #242

A Resolution is not a Bill. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #245

The so called "Green New Deal" is not green, not new, nor is it a deal. NNadir Aug 2022 #252

Green New Deal was coined by Thomas Friedman in 2007, Obama ran for president with a Green New Deal. betsuni Aug 2022 #265

Thanks for explaining the etymology of that appalling term. NNadir Aug 2022 #266

I think AOC will make a great president someday. StrictlyRockers Aug 2022 #198

Must be cool to be able to write about politics... DrToast Aug 2022 #202

And people pay for it! betsuni Aug 2022 #213

Someone with four years of Congressional experience is prepared to run the Executive Branch? brooklynite Aug 2022 #204

More experience than Trump but that's a low bar Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2022 #244

In the 2020 Primary, the aggregate vote of the progressive candidates was about...30% brooklynite Aug 2022 #205

My previously undiluted admiration for her anamnua Aug 2022 #221

I didn't know about that, thanks! betsuni Aug 2022 #222

She's not ready yet ecstatic Aug 2022 #225

The divisive streak is listening to Justice Democrats and doing what they say. betsuni Aug 2022 #227

Ocasio-Cortez 2044! nt prodigitalson Aug 2022 #228

She's young enough to even run in 2064 Polybius Aug 2022 #263

It's from The Hill. 'Nuf said'. ....eom Karma13612 Aug 2022 #229

Trump vs AOC. fescuerescue Aug 2022 #243

Says the GOP iemanja Aug 2022 #251

Are you kidding me? She'd get annihilated. Initech Aug 2022 #258

Let's say Biden wins in 2024 and it's AOC vs. DeSantis 2028 Polybius Aug 2022 #264