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KNR and bookmarking. niyad Jan 2023 #1
And the solution is...? brooklynite Jan 2023 #2
The Nordic model, regulated capitalism with robust benefits for citizens such as universal... brush Jan 2023 #15
This comes closest to the way it used to be prior to Reagan slightlv Jan 2023 #69
This has my vote! Dave says Jan 2023 #82
Yup! IrishAfricanAmerican Jan 2023 #84
The Nordic model? former9thward Jan 2023 #111
Now, now, don't bring facts into it! nt EX500rider Jan 2023 #113
Are we to believe that. Where's the breakout on POC deaths and police killings? brush Jan 2023 #122
It's not facts, it's taking one raw number, out of thousands of comparative measures, and falsely Celerity Jan 2023 #123
Any thoughts on this.... electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #141
The darkness related suicide rate has been vastly reduced via vitamin supplements & sunlamps/tanning Celerity Jan 2023 #142
Very glad to hear that the Vits & sunlamps etc have helped! And TY for these beautiful🧡photos! electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #210
Thank you, the old reliable contrarian. brush Jan 2023 #121
That is not what the OP was about and you know it. former9thward Jan 2023 #124
Grow up. The Nordic model is capitalism too,,, brush Jan 2023 #135
:) Almost all DU's socialists are really capitalists. Hortensis Jan 2023 #183
Another way of looking at it, and valid. brush Jan 2023 #192
US capitalism, on balance, is vastly under-regulated and more rapacious than Nordic capitalism Celerity Jan 2023 #193
Thank you, great post. Rapacious is such an apt word. brush Jan 2023 #202
Cultural differences are often overlooked. betsuni Jan 2023 #203
Police killings are not statistically very large in a country of 320 million EX500rider Jan 2023 #131
See post 135. And I'll bet you police killings of Blacks and POCs... brush Jan 2023 #136
Bogus statistic. Do not confuse death rate with life expectancy Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #146
The OP is about capitalism "killiing" a million a year. former9thward Jan 2023 #169
Yeah I am guessing it is not a peer reviewed study. nt EX500rider Jan 2023 #170
You forget the basic fact that the older the demographic skew, the higher the death rate. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #201
I became impressed w the Nordic model as I found out more about it around 35 yrs ago electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #140
Kind of like how "capitalism OR socialism" binaries get us nowhere ck4829 Jan 2023 #22
Musk's takeover debacle of twitter shows billionaires... brush Jan 2023 #76
True, very true. And yet... ck4829 Jan 2023 #80
Tell them that both Muck and trump started with millions in... brush Jan 2023 #88
This☝️ I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #128
Oh, it gets us somewhere. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #29
THIS. It's encouraging that most who say they want socialism Hortensis Jan 2023 #185
+1,000,000 Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #189
This rebranding of liberal Democratic policies as democratic socialism, but that democratic betsuni Jan 2023 #199
:) Have faith. The "NOT liberal Democrats" copied the deceit Hortensis Jan 2023 #204
Yeah, socialism is the answer Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #30
Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance are not examples of "socialism" Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #38
Since when? Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #66
Since always. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #72
And pretending there are no socialist systems in the US Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #158
Simple truth. Our ONLY/CLOSEST "socialized" system is the VA. Hortensis Jan 2023 #186
When ideologies on the extremes have no real accomplishments of their own--aside from Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #188
DU's for "politically liberal people" who want to elect more Democrats. Hortensis Jan 2023 #200
Social democracy is not socialism... brooklynite Jan 2023 #83
Actually I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #227
An insurance policy, no different than health, home owners and life insurance. paleotn Jan 2023 #90
A hard pass for me as well. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #112
Don't forget Central American workers' paradises, Hortensis Jan 2023 #190
You have to cite a country with a sustained and successful socialist... brush Jan 2023 #166
No I don't has to Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #168
What I described is rudimentary capitalism... brush Jan 2023 #175
No, that's just traditional markets that have been around for thousands of years Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #181
Come on, you tout socialism but still haven't cited... brush Jan 2023 #191
Yeah what always happens was the motto in the Soviet Union which was: EX500rider Jan 2023 #171
OK , now you're talking about Communism Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #182
Communism is just a more extreme form of socialism EX500rider Jan 2023 #194
Not according to Karl Marx Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #216
But capitalism is bad Dave says Jan 2023 #81
exactly; it's hardly "arbitrary" anarch Jan 2023 #87
Mao, Lenin, Stalin and Pol Pot would agree with you.... paleotn Jan 2023 #89
But I didn't argue from the extreme Dave says Jan 2023 #96
I'm relieved you have no objections BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #107
Markets over society malaise Jan 2023 #3
What is the actual solution, though? Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #5
Less Capitalism, more Socialism AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #6
That's a slogan, not a plan. Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #11
No it's literally a plan AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #13
Healthcare isn't "socialism." Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #39
Not so simple & NOT binary / either-or. Socialistic-capitalism is better distribution of wealth Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #57
Socialism isn't about better distribution of resources. That is wholly inaccurate. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #67
State-ownership of production is premised on better distribution of resources, but rarely efficient Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #70
It never works out that way. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #74
That's my point: that it never works out that way. Modern liberalism is socialistic-capitalism Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #75
I think we are in general agreement Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #77
Socialist systems have failed and resulted in worse poverty . Look at Venezuela . JI7 Jan 2023 #23
What are the metrics of "failed"? Right in our own country... ck4829 Jan 2023 #24
The comparison that you cited was wnylib Jan 2023 #99
Re: FDR see my post #211 electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #212
What makes Nordic countries successful is their government intervention Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #36
You are dead wrong. All these countries have advanced capitalist economies. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #41
Nope, you make lots of claims but provide no facts Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #49
What facts do you need to be convinced that the Nordic countries all have advanced capitalist Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #51
That their socialist systems Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #151
+1 spot on! Emile Jan 2023 #155
Try looking up the definition of Socialism EX500rider Jan 2023 #114
Yes some of the wealth in those countries is owned Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #154
Because we sanction such countries AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #48
Repeat after me....ONE DOES NOT WORK WITHOUT THE OTHER. paleotn Jan 2023 #91
Repeat after me AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #104
This meme is utterly dishonest. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #125
Fire dept.s have zero to do with socialism EX500rider Jan 2023 #132
That would depend AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #134
Since fire depts have zero to do with the means of production, no EX500rider Jan 2023 #172
Norway and Finland are socio-capitalist. Blended capitalism. Venezuela is command-and-control Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #59
Look at Apalachia, Detroit, The Rio Grande Valley AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #152
The US has a far higher population and people in those US areas live better than the poor in JI7 Jan 2023 #159
No they do not AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #160
lol, if poor people lived better in Venezuela than in the US you would have people going to JI7 Jan 2023 #161
People move outside the US every day AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #162
They aren't moving to Venezuela where you claim poor people live better JI7 Jan 2023 #164
As a % of population nowhere even close: EX500rider Jan 2023 #173
There is not too much capitalism; there is not enough socialism: basic income, healthcare, shelter. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #54
Less capitalism is still capitalism. paleotn Jan 2023 #73
Yes its still capitalism and it harms most of us. I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #130
As extreme poverty declines worldwide with the spread of capitalism I'd say it does not EX500rider Jan 2023 #133
We're at historic income inequality in America AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #153
Sounds easy to implement Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #147
Social Democracy/Democratic Socialism malaise Jan 2023 #8
I don't disagree with that, but... Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #12
Read these books if you have trouble visualizing a real socialist society Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #44
yes Locrian Jan 2023 #63
So true Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #68
good sugestion will check it out - n/t Locrian Jan 2023 #106
Utopia had slaves Shrek Jan 2023 #143
Hilarious that "Utopia" is recommended! betsuni Jan 2023 #144
Not to mention the authoritarianism and the surveillance state Shrek Jan 2023 #149
Some people like the idea of authoritarianism/totalitarianism. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #197
Yeah, that utopia would never be a real utopia Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #150
LOL Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #198
Social democracy, like we have here in Sweden, is NOT democratic socialism. Celerity Jan 2023 #25
We can debate this malaise Jan 2023 #27
Manley's PNP government did take over a large chunk of the means of production. Celerity Jan 2023 #37
The utility companies were run by the government as was JOS (the urban bus company) malaise Jan 2023 #97
You are entirely correct to push back on the false conflation of Social Democracy Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #43
The policies and programmes they advocate for are not socialist, and those policies and Celerity Jan 2023 #78
I simply disagree. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #79
Agree to disagree, and I am far from naive. Celerity Jan 2023 #108
Believe what you will. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #109
you make my exact point for me, thank you Celerity Jan 2023 #115
We disagree about his intentions. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #116
Again you make my point for me Celerity Jan 2023 #119
No, quite to the contrary. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #120
These are not synonymous terms. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #34
Social Democracies also don't have dictators n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2023 #56
Correct. Social Democracies have liberal political and economic values. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jan 2023 #9
Agreed. See post 15. brush Jan 2023 #19
Move beyond the isms. Return to small, laterally-construct community groups who have real Magoo48 Jan 2023 #86
Actually, Marx was an idiot in the other direction. paleotn Jan 2023 #45
I agree💯% I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #129
K&R 2naSalit Jan 2023 #4
Yeah, my cousin died of low education. padfun Jan 2023 #7
Wow AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #10
Yeah I wondered how they figured out that one.. EX500rider Jan 2023 #174
That's not capitalism. It's racism and other bigotry JI7 Jan 2023 #14
No it's Capitalism AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #16
You are correct malaise Jan 2023 #28
What malarky. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #35
A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B ck4829 Jan 2023 #20
K&R ck4829 Jan 2023 #17
Notice that almost all the developed nations in the world Progressive dog Jan 2023 #18
This is incorrect AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #50
The previous poster is not incorrect, and your meme does nothing to make a point to the contrary. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #53
So everyone who's ever died in the last 200+ years.... paleotn Jan 2023 #92
Read it again AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #102
Wars predates capitalism. EX500rider Jan 2023 #176
Complete and utter BS... Polybius Jan 2023 #95
That is so wrong. Progressive dog Jan 2023 #206
Wait until you hear about the all the First Nations people killed AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #231
What kind of healthcare did they have 125 years ago? Progressive dog Jan 2023 #232
capitalist economic systems definitely kill fewer people in the developed world than anarch Jan 2023 #103
In spite of this "exploitation" Progressive dog Jan 2023 #207
K&R Emile Jan 2023 #21
The fact we have for profit healthcare mountain grammy Jan 2023 #26
Yep. We need to start calling the problems associated with this system "POLICY FAILURES" ck4829 Jan 2023 #32
+1000 mountain grammy Jan 2023 #61
Well said. This gets to the core of the problem. nt GoodRaisin Jan 2023 #118
The UK, the EU, Japan, Australia are all capitalist nations.... paleotn Jan 2023 #58
Agreed, if not THE worst problems, definitely near the top. We have so many problems today, Ziggysmom Jan 2023 #209
Does this include.... purr-rat beauty Jan 2023 #31
I think so ck4829 Jan 2023 #33
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2023 #40
How about all the deaths due to opioid abuse? FakeNoose Jan 2023 #42
Somebody (The Sackler family and Purdue Pharma) made lots and lots of money though ck4829 Jan 2023 #46
Yes but the opioid victims weren't necessarily poor or uneducated FakeNoose Jan 2023 #47
Capitalism prevents more than 1 million deaths per year Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #52
Yes! Very well said. paleotn Jan 2023 #60
+1 gulliver Jan 2023 #65
the goal of socialism is communism anarch Jan 2023 #98
Only if you are an all or nothing thinker Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #101
I see it as a matter of intent anarch Jan 2023 #105
Good thing we don't have a system that is all-or-nothing. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #110
I can see this is a pointless conversation, but isn't Vietnam a communist country? anarch Jan 2023 #139
And you haven't? Suuuuure . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2023 #145
... lapucelle Jan 2023 #205
I fear that the left does the same thing to capitalism... paleotn Jan 2023 #55
+1 betsuni Jan 2023 #138
The vast majority of Democrats are pro-Capitalism gulliver Jan 2023 #62
Among wealthy countries, the maternal mortality rate in the US is the worst ck4829 Jan 2023 #71
"When compared to 10 other cherry picked countries" EX500rider Jan 2023 #229
+1,000,000 Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #117
Can our capitalistic system deal with climate change? How can a system jalan48 Jan 2023 #85
do you mean, can it continue to generate profit? anarch Jan 2023 #94
Yes, I'm sure corporations will figure out a way to capitalize off of people's misery. jalan48 Jan 2023 #100
Sorry, not sorry, it's SOCIALISM and corporations have been using it for years RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2023 #93
yep... myohmy2 Jan 2023 #126
I fucking hate capitalism. I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #127
And where is the non-capitalist utopia you'd rather be? EX500rider Jan 2023 #177
I dont know but I do know I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #225
In the words of George Santos, Invisible People has "embellished" the conclusions of the study. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2023 #137
Uhhh no AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #156
The study did not say what Invisible People claimed it said. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2023 #157
lol No, I'm just able to make a logical conclusion AntivaxHunters Jan 2023 #163
So make stuff up because the ends justify the means? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #178
This is Both Sides Corrupt Myth: "Many politicians who could directly influence change are getting betsuni Jan 2023 #148
DURec leftstreet Jan 2023 #165
"hoarding more of the resourses" treestar Jan 2023 #167
And enables unprecedented prosperity for over 330,000,000 Americans. Hortensis Jan 2023 #179
+1 betsuni Jan 2023 #187
The official US poverty rate in 2021 was 11.6 percent, with 37.9 million people in poverty. Celerity Jan 2023 #215
:) Only curious if you look at little select numbers and don't Hortensis Jan 2023 #217
Your calling 40 plus million Americans living in poverty 'little select numbers' says a lot. Celerity Jan 2023 #218
Well, come on. Strawmanning and spinning people's words Hortensis Jan 2023 #219
Strawman? I'm one who's consistently posited since I joined DU that the Nordics are NOT socialist Celerity Jan 2023 #220
Claiming that those who self-describe as socialists and/or democratic socialists are confused about Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #221
False frame of what I said AND also ignores the evidence I have presented a multitude of times Celerity Jan 2023 #222
No, it is not a false frame. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #223
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2023 #224
Yeah I get the feeling many American's really don't know what poverty is like in the 3erd World EX500rider Jan 2023 #230
We need a vaccine against the spread of disinformation. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #180
'invisiblepeople.tv' has only the best disinformation Bonx Jan 2023 #184
Capitalism saw Americans give birth to... Locutusofborg Jan 2023 #195
I believe this involved a different procedure. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2023 #196
lol this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #208
FDR's Second Bill of Rights Or Economic Bill of Rights electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #211
Hartmann reviewed Cass Sunstein's 2004 book, "The Second Bill of Rights, FDR's Unfinished Revolution betsuni Jan 2023 #213
Interesting, I'll have to look for that! electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #214
Those who thrive on domination I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #226
We're certainly going to have to fight for more of these things... electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #228
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