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patrice

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12. That is part of its purpose, but another part is to weight less populated areas
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:22 PM
Nov 2012

more heavily, so their votes stand a chance against population centers.

I was listening to someone the other day make the case that the fix is to end the "winner take all" aspect of the Electoral College, which is sketched out in this article:

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

The electoral college is also part of compromises made at the convention to satisfy the small states. Under the system of the Electoral College each state had the same number of electoral votes as they have representative in Congress, thus no state could have less then 3. The result of this system is that in this election the state of Wyoming cast about 210,000 votes, and thus each elector represented 70,000 votes, while in California approximately 9,700,000 votes were cast for 54 votes, thus representing 179,000 votes per electorate. Obviously this creates an unfair advantage to voters in the small states whose votes actually count more then those people living in medium and large states.

One aspect of the electoral system that is not mandated in the constitution is the fact that the winner takes all the votes in the state. Therefore it makes no difference if you win a state by 50.1% or by 80% of the vote you receive the same number of electoral votes. This can be a recipe for one individual to win some states by large pluralities and lose others by small number of votes, and thus this is an easy scenario for one candidate winning the popular vote while another winning the electoral vote. This winner take all methods used in picking electors has been decided by the states themselves. This trend took place over the course of the 19th century.
Just because we won doesn't mean it works properly. Fearless Nov 2012 #1
Agreed, based on the idea that everyone has the same worth as a person, their votes should GreenPartyVoter Nov 2012 #2
Well it probably was constitutional back then. white_wolf Nov 2012 #3
If there were no campaiging (everyone would receive a voters' guide instead) would there be a patrice Nov 2012 #4
Campaigns should be publicly funded and the Electoral College is an anachronism! LongTomH Nov 2012 #6
That is part of its purpose, but another part is to weight less populated areas patrice Nov 2012 #12
The Senate is more than sufficient with respect to your point WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #20
Yes - Or it would be if we had authentic public financed campaigns & NO dependence upon MSM patrice Nov 2012 #21
I think the United States is suffering from a lack of neutral news outlets. Selatius Nov 2012 #28
It should go but there need to be other changes to our elections jp11 Nov 2012 #5
It should go via an amendment FreeJoe Nov 2012 #7
Flush it! I don't ever... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #8
What about proportional EVs? BadgerKid Nov 2012 #9
Maine & New Hampshire, I think, see the article I linked above. nt patrice Nov 2012 #23
This is f'ing interesting... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #10
Being a resident of Oklahoma I say keep it. ipfilter Nov 2012 #13
7 EVs is a much bigger worry when CA has *just* 55 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #16
The only change needed is make them actually filibuster madokie Nov 2012 #11
Tempted to say "keep it" after last night, but it should go. dawg Nov 2012 #14
I think it should stay treestar Nov 2012 #15
That's the problem today... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #19
Go. It would be unconstitutional but for the fact.... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #17
I vote go but .. Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #18
I see both sides, but can you imagine the pain of a recount? gollygee Nov 2012 #22
Good point! Without EVs, HOW could you do a recount if you needed to, unless we're using paper patrice Nov 2012 #24
never thought about it this way.... slutticus Nov 2012 #30
I think I'd like to see the states' electors unbunched (like Nebraska and Maine do). Bucky Nov 2012 #25
It's gotta go. trotsky Nov 2012 #26
Yes I think plcdude Nov 2012 #27
The question is moot IMO slackmaster Nov 2012 #29
One problem with abolition... leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #31
I'd prefer to see states split up EV's like Maine does. hughee99 Nov 2012 #32
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