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Mad_Machine76

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17. Ending this cycle of abuse and weaponization

Reply to LetMyPeopleVote (Original post)

Mon May 8, 2023, 05:09 PM

May 2023

has to be done somehow. I think that the public would largely be on Biden's side if he ignores the debt ceiling and the Republicans protest. I don't even really understand why we have a "debt ceiling" anyway. I'm sure that there's some history about it but, assuming we don't plan to voluntarily welsh on our debts, what purpose does it even serve and has its usefulness, whatever it was, ended?

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Biden opens the door to a debt ceiling solution the GOP won't like [View all] LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 OP

Like it! 👍 anciano May 2023 #1

Actually I think the GOPers will like this. honest.abe May 2023 #2

It would be worse for us wryter2000 May 2023 #5

It gives them a way out without actually compromising. honest.abe May 2023 #12

You are too trusting quakerboy May 2023 #49

BINGO! What wryter2000 said! BComplex May 2023 #14

Thanks wryter2000 May 2023 #42

And MUCH WORSE For Us who Cha May 2023 #16

This! sheshe2 May 2023 #19

omg.. Every Time We ALL Have to Sweat IT. Cha May 2023 #24

That's exactly it. fescuerescue May 2023 #48

AMENDMENT XIV Section 4. Jim__ May 2023 #3

the cato institue agrees its unconstitutional moonshinegnomie May 2023 #6

Thanks for the response. Jim__ May 2023 #9

I love the part that says wryter2000 May 2023 #7

hear . hear , that is us.!! AllaN01Bear May 2023 #13

Just read the amendment wryter2000 May 2023 #4

The 14th Amendment allows the President to take lawful actions to prevent default on our debt LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #8

i hope he does . AllaN01Bear May 2023 #10

The President may have no choice other than shoving it down their throats. Chainfire May 2023 #11

Time to ignore congress IbogaProject May 2023 #15

Ending this cycle of abuse and weaponization Mad_Machine76 May 2023 #17

It was a Congressional modification on how to pay for WW1. It is also UNCONSTITUTIONAL AZ8theist May 2023 #18

Thanks Mad_Machine76 May 2023 #20

To be clear, are you saying the *debt ceiling* is unconstitutional? ShazzieB May 2023 #26

The 14th Amendment has never been tested. AZ8theist May 2023 #32

Thanks for this! ShazzieB May 2023 #35

It was questioned during the Bush years. former9thward May 2023 #38

The Democrats never threatened to default on the debt or crash the world economy. AZ8theist May 2023 #41

I agree with... 2naSalit May 2023 #21

It needs to be done or we are stuck with this debt doc03 May 2023 #22

I worry about the precedent it would create, but I do think we have to use the whole Constitution bucolic_frolic May 2023 #23

so if I'm understanding correctly, rethugs' only recourse would be to go to Court ecstatic May 2023 #25

Their recourse will be to wage legislative law Tom Rinaldo May 2023 #36

So basicly you think they will do what they are doing already, but louder quakerboy May 2023 #50

I just saw Chuck Schumer on TV saying that Social Security Checks would be stopped MichMan May 2023 #27

Because it never got that far. JohnSJ May 2023 #29

Yellen comments today said that invoking the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling would JohnSJ May 2023 #28

Other countries don't have this stupid fight every damn year. Why do we? OMGWTF May 2023 #30

My question would be COL Mustard May 2023 #31

Leaders in the past thought we could get along with, work with fascists, Dem leaders yaesu May 2023 #34

It's time to END this debt limit bs once and for all since the fascists have weaponized it yaesu May 2023 #33

Good, I see this as the only way out. Bev54 May 2023 #37

I mean, theres always the magic coin plan quakerboy May 2023 #51

This is why he was the right choice...seasoned politician that won't take their crap PortTack May 2023 #39

I loved Bill Clinton's leadership when he was president, to be debt free by 2009 ffr May 2023 #40

the whole debt ceiling is nothing but a right wing charade to appear as if they care. Javaman May 2023 #43

I'm pretty sure they would be pleased with this Johonny May 2023 #44

Isn't it always the repugs that want this country to default? Ferrets are Cool May 2023 #45

------ DO IT !!!!!! liberalla May 2023 #46

the GOP doesn't really care about the debt ceiling fescuerescue May 2023 #47

It's unconstitutional to not fulfill the federal budgets that have already been voted into law AdamGG May 2023 #52

Biden says he's exploring 14th amendment to defuse debt ceiling standoff LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #53

Christ, just do it NOW, not months from now Silent3 May 2023 #54