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Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:24 PM Oct 2023

I'm going to go out on a limb here... [View all]

Not that what I think or don’t think makes a difference.

I am an avowed Zionist and supporter of Israel as a nation similarly to how I support the United States as a nation even when a miscreant like Trump was in power. These countries are essential to the well-being of the world and this is non-debatable. In its 75 years, despite its involvements in wars and constant threats of violence, Israel has made advances scientifically, artistically, culturally, and militarily which have changed civilization as we know it.

When Hamas was voted in by the citizens of Gaza, anyone with any sense knew exactly what was going to happen. Virtually the entire country became militarized against Israel -fair enough - and like Germany, Italy and Japan, the vast bulk of the citizenry sides with the autocratic government leaders. Hamas’ charter states that it was formed in order to destroy the State of Israel. I would state without hesitation that you cannot coexist with an entity that wants you dead.

But these terrorists are not stupid. They set themselves up to benefit from the civilized world’s double standards of war-making. We ostensibly operate under constructs and constraints. The terrorists do no such thing, but you know: “two wrongs do not make a right.” As a digression I would state that the popularity of the Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry films negates that supposition, but that is a subject for another day. The terrorists hide among civilians, place munitions near or in school and hospitals, and like a certain Western politician whom we know all too well, lie and blame the “other” side continuously such that it no longer offends when we hear patent lies.

I will get to my point: this situation is causing a political divide unlike any we have seen before. The choice is clear, you’re either on the side of democracy and democratically elected individuals within a society with codified laws, or you’re on the side of autocrats who have demonstrated that they are amoral to the nth degree. Yes, I understand that unfortunately there are going to be countless personal tragedies “on both sides” but Hamas and its backers knew this was going to happen.

Israel controls the water and energy pipelines into Gaza, they control the traffic flow and the importation of goods. Hamas knew that the populace would be devastated post facto, and they don’t care. If it takes 700 years, they have infinite patience. Their leaders are most likely sitting in Qatar or a country like that, and are sacrificing all of these people, both civilian and terrorist.

And they could not care less. They know the pressures upon their victims’ country of origin, Israel, and I can guarantee you that they’re smirking at the softness and humanity of the West. I would submit that the Israeli military is well-aware of how terrific the judgement and sensibilities of American politicians and how abysmally we handled 9/11. They will do what they see fit. Remember Entebbe, right? Hopeless…Idi Amin….can’t be done. Well, that was a fallacious supposition.

Penultimately, I propose a hypothetical: suppose in the 1960’s the French Separatists took over Canada and a radical anti-American movement took hold. Periodically, missiles were launched from the population centers of Toronto and Montreal toward Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse with possible capabilities of reaching New York City, Boston, and Philadelphia at some point in the near future. What do you believe that the United States would do?

One thing that would not occur would be a media blitz decrying the civilian casualties in the Canadian cities. There would be calls for carpet bombing and occupation/annexation of the country after the photos of a decimated Kodak Park industrial center, of the Carrier manufacturing facility, and the port in Buffalo being rendered unusable.

But it’s not Canada, it’s not your family under constant threat of violent death or worse, it’s the Jews, “and we all know about the Jews, right?” Jews are “different” -somehow….”don’t really get how but they are.” I admit that we are…not better, not worse, but different. In America we have many groups which are “different”. We are not alone in that regard.

And finally, I would like to say that we all know that if the Israelis just put their weapons down, they would be absolutely annihilated - Hitler’s Dream would be realized. Anyone who feels that there is a trace of humanity in these terrorists or their millions of acolytes, and believe me, there are tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of them, is mightily mistaken. Israel will take care of business with the assistance of their allies because that is what they do.

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I wish we had SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #1
I have a question for you? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #2
Among other things that is correct. PCIntern Oct 2023 #3
Thank you AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #4
Oh FFS n/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #5
Is there a problem? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #37
Nope SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #42
Ok ❤️ AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #44
Unfortunately, your peoples were nearly destroyed PCIntern Oct 2023 #6
Yup I am AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #7
Which Native nation? Are you an enrolled member? wnylib Oct 2023 #27
Since you asked 😀 AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #30
There are several points in your post that raise more questions wnylib Oct 2023 #34
Big oof AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #36
I did not suggest that all Native people think alike. wnylib Oct 2023 #40
Here's how I see it AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #46
This is one of the best posts I have read Hekate Oct 2023 #63
There are a couple of points in your post that raise... issues. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #38
Do you support JustAnotherGen Oct 2023 #48
You have created a false choice. Eko Oct 2023 #8
Oh...ok... PCIntern Oct 2023 #15
No, I did not say that at all. Eko Oct 2023 #19
This is the kind of disingenuousness MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #51
I'm on the Limb with You Beetwasher. Oct 2023 #9
I agree MyMission Oct 2023 #10
I also agree SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #11
Amen Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #12
"The Arab nations will fight Israel to the last Palestinian" mcar Oct 2023 #13
A matter of perspective dcweed Oct 2023 #14
It was tried... PCIntern Oct 2023 #16
One idea dcweed Oct 2023 #28
Excellent idea!... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #39
I'm with your idea. Men have totally screwed up the situation. brush Oct 2023 #55
That's certainly a new approach. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #56
Welcome to DU, dcweed. nt pnwmom Oct 2023 #20
Thank You for this, PCIntern 💙 Cha Oct 2023 #17
Let's not forget that less than 43% of the voters chose Hamas in that 2006 election. pnwmom Oct 2023 #18
Irrelevant PCIntern Oct 2023 #21
It was relevant to this part of your post: pnwmom Oct 2023 #22
Doesn't matter.... PCIntern Oct 2023 #23
I don't care about what Hamas thinks of my "electoral sensibilities." pnwmom Oct 2023 #25
I am an American independent think Oct 2023 #24
Your reply is noted. PCIntern Oct 2023 #29
Has anyone told you that accusing Jews of dual loyalty madaboutharry Oct 2023 #52
I'm so sad these days I'm pretty much out of words... Hekate Oct 2023 #26
Beautiful. TY for sharing. nt Ilsa Oct 2023 #31
"Zionist". FULL STOP... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #32
You are redefining terms to match your worldview. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #33
I don't really have a "world-view" on this particular issue... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #60
I stopped reading yours at The term "full stop" PCIntern Oct 2023 #35
Good for you. DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #58
But mine was much shorter than yours... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #59
A very well constructed limb you're on, sir. ancianita Oct 2023 #41
IMO Hamas declared Total War on Israel when they came across the border to slaughter civilians EX500rider Oct 2023 #43
that approach really did wonders in Iraq and Afghanistan bigtree Oct 2023 #45
This much is obvious: Before Hamas sent their first missile into Israel, They knew what Israel's reaction would be. world wide wally Oct 2023 #47
Spot on JustAnotherGen Oct 2023 #49
I think they should send in the UN Observers to the ahhihilated areas... kentuck Oct 2023 #50
Wasn't much of a limb MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #53
You're right of course... PCIntern Oct 2023 #62
Thank you for your post PCIntern. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #54
There's no humane way to weed out terrorists who are living amongst the population ecstatic Oct 2023 #57
Sen Fetterman is right there with you.. and a lot of us.. Cha Oct 2023 #61
You said "When Hamas was voted in by the citizens of Gaza" womanofthehills Oct 2023 #64
You know that you actually paraphrased George W. Bush there BootinUp Oct 2023 #65
Well... PCIntern Oct 2023 #66
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