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scipan

(2,679 posts)
90. False equivalence
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 01:37 PM
Oct 2023

The most important parts to me:

We included any attacks against Jews which were motivated by the religious identity of the victims – even if it was motivated by anger about Israeli policies.

In the U.S., our data shows that 95% of antisemitic incidents motivated by Israel’s policies were perpetrated by far-left or unidentified activists

It seems fairly clear that this is about incidents where people on the left were holding Jewish people responsible for Israeli government policies. (It doesn't say anything about how many other forms of antisemitism were shown by lefties.)

That probably qualifies as antisemitism IMO but is not the same by a long shot as typical far-right antisemitism. Furthermore, it doesn't do anybody any good to conflate the two, unless your purpose is to cast the left in a bad light.

Again, it's not okay IMO to hold individuals responsible for Israeli behaviors just because they are Jewish. But I fail to see the equivalence with denigrating Jews as being inherently bad/inferior or wanting them dead.

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Just a point of contention maxrandb Oct 2023 #1
So you say... PCIntern Oct 2023 #4
+1000 FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #8
Following the establishment of Israel, Jews living in Arab countries were displaced. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #9
How easily and quickly some gloss over this fact, how often it is denied Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #67
You're right! We should just accept genocide maxrandb Oct 2023 #13
First, you should learn what "genocide" means Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #31
Well Willto Oct 2023 #56
Pretty much every neighbor of Israel has refused to take "yes" for an answer to peace Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #119
You have no idea what the word 'genocide' is all about. Go watch one of the many docs. about the Holocaust SoFlaBro Oct 2023 #94
Completely agree. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #95
Israel has not bombed hospitals. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #116
Bloodthirsty Goddessartist Oct 2023 #131
Does genocide often start with letting people get out if the way? edisdead Oct 2023 #106
The Holocaust started that way. intheflow Oct 2023 #110
And there inthewind21 Oct 2023 #150
Go South.... Bettie Oct 2023 #173
That you characterize Israel's actions as genocide Zeitghost Oct 2023 #121
Of course it does inthewind21 Oct 2023 #151
Being critical of Israeli policy is one thing Zeitghost Oct 2023 #165
No criticizing of Netanyahu and his policies regarding West Bank and or Gaza? BootinUp Oct 2023 #55
Criticizing Netanyahu is not antisemitism LeftishBrit Oct 2023 #112
I would agree strongly with that. Nt BootinUp Oct 2023 #117
Well spoken. Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #76
Can tou at least recognize... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #103
They give the West Bank away PCIntern Oct 2023 #170
Israel is still doing it with settlers. ExciteBike66 Oct 2023 #157
Spot on sellitman Oct 2023 #167
It is right wing nonsense. David__77 Oct 2023 #5
Well said obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #16
Sure. Statistics must have a right wing bias. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #33
The statistics are based on a DEFINITION of what constitues antisematism karynnj Oct 2023 #75
The most commonly accepted definition of antisemitism can be found here: Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #96
The young Jews are people i know personally karynnj Oct 2023 #107
Well said Martin Eden Oct 2023 #6
Well Said Martin Eden Oct 2023 #7
AMEN Ferrets are Cool Oct 2023 #11
It depends on how the criticism is expressed. yardwork Oct 2023 #12
If only Israel had a Ronnie Reagan to make a deal Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #47
Iraq War G_j Oct 2023 #161
As well they should have. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. yardwork Oct 2023 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author Thinker Cats Oct 2023 #14
"gas the jews" is anti semitic. Tearing up pictures of Israeli kids JI7 Oct 2023 #15
Yes, these professors are the spokespeople for the entire left in this country Redleg Oct 2023 #19
The one that said he felt good about the attacks on Israel by Hamas JI7 Oct 2023 #23
A large number of followers Redleg Oct 2023 #29
This resembles the argument that not all right-wingers are being antisemitic. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #37
We can agree on that point Redleg Oct 2023 #39
Ok, I will play your game Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #27
I'll see you and raise you $10 Redleg Oct 2023 #36
This makes your response even more perplexing. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #41
I referenced DU commentators as an example Redleg Oct 2023 #50
Certainly, antisemitism on the far left is more subtle. But that is what makes it more sinister. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #58
I would welcome more transparency or "wokeness" Redleg Oct 2023 #72
It's an ananalogy. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #89
I get it Redleg Oct 2023 #146
Good to know. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #147
You spelled "analogy" incorrectly Redleg Oct 2023 #148
It's not a game maxrandb Oct 2023 #38
This seems pretty accurate Redleg Oct 2023 #40
Deny this: Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #52
This is silly maxrandb Oct 2023 #79
There's a difference between protesting on campus and attacking students because of their faith/culture LauraInLA Oct 2023 #85
You had an issue with me and Yul Brynner regarding undeniability of instances of antisemitism on the left. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #101
No, my problem is, like Ramses maxrandb Oct 2023 #109
Ummm...you are veering off subject. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #113
+1 BootinUp Oct 2023 #64
The rising tide of actual student anti-Semitism LauraInLA Oct 2023 #84
Well inthewind21 Oct 2023 #152
Well Stated T_A Oct 2023 #54
Spot on. msfiddlestix Oct 2023 #68
I have never thought that so many would agree with Trump about "both sides" question everything Oct 2023 #81
Makes a little clearer inthewind21 Oct 2023 #153
Bullshit Captain Zero Oct 2023 #2
It hasn't moved. Its always been there, simmering below the surface. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #3
Yes and Jewish people have always known it. EllieBC Oct 2023 #21
The way I see it is you can support the specific issue JI7 Oct 2023 #26
+ 1,000,000 madaboutharry Oct 2023 #30
It's as deeply rooted on the right as it's ever been - it just smells marginally less awful hatrack Oct 2023 #44
I saw this article posted on the conservative subreddit RAB910 Oct 2023 #10
That's where I saw it first, too - shocked it's here obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #17
JFC-"this" is what passes for scholastic research these days? maxrandb Oct 2023 #24
After Oct. 7 Redleg Oct 2023 #18
Tell that to Jewish college students. marybourg Oct 2023 #22
The ones being doxxed, denied employment and blacklisted? maxrandb Oct 2023 #28
The ones whose organizations are being excluded from events, marybourg Oct 2023 #32
Good SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #111
Israel is guilty of countless war crimes. So would it be okay for a company not to hire anyone that supports a RAB910 Oct 2023 #126
If they believe Israel SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #129
You deny the FACT that Israel is GUILTY of countless war crimes, and you accuse anyone supportive RAB910 Oct 2023 #130
Lighten up Francis SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #132
I don't get what you want me to tell them. Redleg Oct 2023 #43
Your words, downplaying the extent of marybourg Oct 2023 #49
I am not downplaying the incidents Redleg Oct 2023 #57
I respect your obviously sincere beliefs, but since these incidents marybourg Oct 2023 #63
I do work at a college campus and have seen nothing like this Redleg Oct 2023 #71
Jews tend to notice it more than non jews, since MyMission Oct 2023 #114
Yes Redleg Oct 2023 #145
Just for your information: marybourg Oct 2023 #149
Again, I am not denying that this is happening Redleg Oct 2023 #172
Truly, I just meant for your info. marybourg Oct 2023 #174
Thank you Redleg Oct 2023 #180
And its posted here, so by that logic its a liberal article? brooklynite Oct 2023 #25
I don't play right-wing games. Claims need to be supported by facts. The right-wingers make up lies RAB910 Oct 2023 #127
2016 inthewind21 Oct 2023 #155
Seems like something the mainstream media does. Treat both sides the same. LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #20
And there is NO far left in the US Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #51
Harrassment on political grounds and antisemitism, along with duplicitous demagoguery, is Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #60
Name me one far left member in the US Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #73
Nina Turner Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #91
And what we're seeing after Hamas attacked Israel Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #97
Ok now define the ideological positions Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #118
As far s I know, Turner never articulated her ideological positions in a meaningful way. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #120
How is any of that 'far left'? Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #123
Describe anything that is farther left, and compare Turner's position relative to it Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #133
This isn't complicated. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #134
You just refuse to address the numbers. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #139
never mind lol. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #143
In retrospect, that sounds just about right, doesn't it? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #144
No, she's just a Bernie supporter Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #138
We've already gone through this Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #141
Yes, there is. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #61
Name me 1 US far left member. Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #74
How old are you? stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #83
Loved that song Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #86
I bet you've heard of this guy, then. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #100
Yeah, I've heard of these people Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #140
The far left thinks that us Iowans need therapy, .. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #125
Weird, Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #142
+1 leftstreet Oct 2023 #65
This is an interesting and yet disturbing synopsis. Firestorm49 Oct 2023 #34
nutty yahoo and his ilk are disgusting pos...does that make me antisemitic? dembotoz Oct 2023 #35
He is a fascist and racist. David__77 Oct 2023 #42
yep and i would include a good chunk of the coalition that keeps him in power dembotoz Oct 2023 #48
No it doesn't. Mossfern Oct 2023 #82
I am beginning to wonder if the term "antisemitism" has not been redefined to read something like, Chainfire Oct 2023 #45
A thoughtful appeal to reason... Redleg Oct 2023 #46
You called it obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #175
For your reference, the most commonly accepted definition of antisemitism: Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #66
Right on que inthewind21 Oct 2023 #156
You are making it sound like being on cue is a bad thing. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #163
I agree with you. I call it "herd mentality" on every topic. walkingman Oct 2023 #178
Talk about misleading headlines ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #53
the statistics he cites only weakly supports the hypothesis, imho. nt BootinUp Oct 2023 #59
95%? llashram Oct 2023 #62
95% including "unidentified activists". LOL AloeVera Oct 2023 #87
K&R betsuni Oct 2023 #69
It's not hard to slip from criticizing Israel to hinting at anti-semitic tropes Bucky Oct 2023 #70
I have been critical of Netanyahu and the Likud Party practically since I first joined DU for about 20 years... AntiFascist Oct 2023 #104
Oppression ideology requires villains Sympthsical Oct 2023 #77
It hasn't moved from one side to another sarisataka Oct 2023 #78
I hadn't considered it in that way. I think most of them are like my MIL, who Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #105
That is common. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #108
"...and therefore, they are Jew-ish." Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #168
Audit of Antisemitic Incidents 2022 struggle4progress Oct 2023 #80
As a gentile, I don't see nearly as much left wing in America as we see in Europe. RandySF Oct 2023 #88
At the moment... LauraInLA Oct 2023 #92
False equivalence scipan Oct 2023 #90
I don't think the reason for the hatred is the most important part. LauraInLA Oct 2023 #93
That is indeed a form a anti-semitism ripcord Oct 2023 #98
Boy, memories of Japanese internment have gone right out the window Sympthsical Oct 2023 #99
The recent racist attacks on George Takei here at DU were disgusting. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #128
LOTS inthewind21 Oct 2023 #158
I didn't dismiss it. I said it was antisemitic. scipan Oct 2023 #115
Well said SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2023 #135
My husband is Jewish. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2023 #102
Why does this feel like a Trap disablegamer Oct 2023 #122
Just because someone claims you are wrong does not necessarily mean you are wrong. Celerity Oct 2023 #124
If there was an asteroid headed for earth in three days tavernier Oct 2023 #136
Something certainly seems to have changed. Chainfire Oct 2023 #137
A bit of both.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #154
Interesting inthewind21 Oct 2023 #159
I look at a lot of posts here, but I have not seen what you are describing. Chainfire Oct 2023 #169
Many Americans don't get that Bibi is Israel's Trump obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #176
It hasn't moved. A pervasive idea on the left denies Jewish identity: they're really just white Europeans. mathematic Oct 2023 #160
If I'm "antisemite" because I oppose the Netanyahoo leadership, then I must be anti-american.. Chakaconcarne Oct 2023 #164
And yet: "Jayapal warns that Biden's support from Arab and Muslim-American voters could be at risk for handing of Israel Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #166
Antisemitism raising it's STUPID, hateful, performance-theatre hands RIGHT NOW Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #171
So damn sick of this. Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #177
I want people to stop blowing each other up gay texan Oct 2023 #179
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