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H2O Man

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Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:56 PM Nov 2012

Petraeus v Obama [View all]

“ ‘So what’s my option?’ the president asked his war cabinet, seeking alternatives to the Afghanistan commander’s request for 40,000 more troops in late 2009. ‘You have essentially given me one option. ….It’s unacceptable.’ …

“General David Pertaeus, the new Afghanistan commander, thinks time can be added to the clock if he shows progress. ‘I don’t think you win this war,’ Petraeus said privately. ‘This is the kind of fight we’re in for the rest of our lives and probably our kids’ lives.’ “
-- Bob Woodward; Obama’s Wars; Simon & Schuster; 2010.


This is my second essay on the Petraeus “scandal.” The first, “Intelligence vs. Counterintelligence,” posted a couple of days ago, sought to provide context for the current events by comparing them to past incidents of internal conflict in Washington. (I also enjoyed reading an O.P./thread that attempted to connect some of the players in the Petraeus case by “following the money.” )

Today I think it might be worth reviewing some of the information from Woodward’s book. This is not because I consider him a gifted source -- quite the opposite. Woodward had an agenda in writing this book: to undermine President Obama, by focusing on the military generals’ mistrust of him. A single sentence from Jonathan Alter’s book, “The Promise: President Obama, Year One” highlights the difference in approach found in a book that supports Obama:

“The president might have been annoyed at Petraeus for the foot-dragging approach to Afghanistan, but he owed him a debt of gratitude for Iraq.” (Simon & Schuster; 2010; page 387)

One could disagree with my interpretation of even the title of Woodward’s book, which suggests that President Obama “owns” the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and bears sole responsibility if they are “lost.” While both of these wars were lost by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, the theme of Woodward’s book is that President Obama is pursuing a dangerous policy in Afghanistan, which the patriotic generals oppose.

The quote at the top is taken from the front flap of the book. A fuller version is found on page 332-333. It documents that while he gave lip service to agreeing with Obama, that Petraeus had no intention of following orders from the constitutional civil authority of the President as Commander-in-Chief. The general disregarded President Obama’s plans for number of troops committed, military tactics, length of American involvement, and the desired outcome.

On pages 361-362, Woodward notes that the Petraeus wing thought that the “White House” tended “to leave Petraeus twisting in the wind. An aide tells Petraeus that “they knock you down every chance they get.”

“ ‘They’re fucking with the wrong guy,’ Petraeus said.

The general was not alone. Even after President Obama had laid out his commands very clearly -- on troops committed, military tactics, length of American involvement, and desired outcome -- and demanded that others either commit to support him, or to step aside, others sought to undercut him. And it went beyond the generals.

At a dinner that Secretary Clinton arranged for Karzai, Robert Gates told those gathered, “We’re not leaving Afghanistan prematurely. In fact, we’re not leaving at all.” (page 354)

More, republican Senator Lindsey Graham called General Petraeus shortly after President Obama had made his plans public, and discussed the need to “fix” it. (page 337)

There are things going on in Washington, DC, that are far more serious than jackasses like Hannity or Rush insulting Barack Obama. It is, I believe, a coordinated effort to damage his ability to institute meaningful changes in this nation. There is a group that not only wants to re-write history, they want to control events today in a manner that allows them to pre-write the future. I also think that there are loyal public servants who are working to both support and protect Obama. And I suspect that Petraeus has found that to be the case, too.

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K&R Thank you, Sir. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #1
And thank you. H2O Man Nov 2012 #21
K&R. byronius Nov 2012 #2
sounds like obama did a lousy job of vetting Petraeus. everybody knew he was a whore but obama lol n msongs Nov 2012 #3
I doubt that. Lucinda Nov 2012 #8
I'd suggest getting H2O Man Nov 2012 #9
Stop by. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #4
"Pass me that bottle, H2O Man Nov 2012 #35
Thank you H2O Man. immoderate Nov 2012 #5
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2012 #36
Yes RobertEarl Nov 2012 #6
So H20 coeur_de_lion Nov 2012 #7
Good questions. H2O Man Nov 2012 #25
Was appointing the general to head the CIA a matter of keeping you enemies close? hootinholler Nov 2012 #31
To a large extent, yes. H2O Man Nov 2012 #34
Thanks H seems a bit clearer now coeur_de_lion Nov 2012 #37
I have a theory that involves war crimes. reusrename Nov 2012 #26
I've been curious about how the Benghazi story has been developing due to the Republicans' bizarre pacalo Nov 2012 #10
That's an extremely plausible scenario. It's exactly what these guys do. reusrename Nov 2012 #27
I think the resignation over the emails is a ruse. I dont believe that the Gen rhett o rick Nov 2012 #11
It's a ruse. reusrename Nov 2012 #28
ty for the research and analysis. wakemewhenitsover Nov 2012 #12
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2012 #40
‘They’re fucking with the wrong guy,’ sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #13
No General Patreus It Seems Like You Caeser67 Nov 2012 #14
"There is a group [that wants] to pre-write the future..." like the PNAC? Auggie Nov 2012 #15
K&R...Woodward often sides with the neocons in his writings... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #16
Woodward is not CIA; H2O Man Nov 2012 #18
Woodward's role in the Administration may have been very important according to some reports... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #22
Right. H2O Man Nov 2012 #23
What is also interesting... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #39
Nixon's generosity towards Poppy is no mystery hootinholler Nov 2012 #32
If Pres Obama won't even prosecuted openly admitted war criminals, why should Petraeus AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #17
Great insight... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #19
k&r... spanone Nov 2012 #20
Fills In Some Very Interesting Holes... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #24
I posted this in 2011, lol bigtree Nov 2012 #29
snicker... reusrename Nov 2012 #30
I wonder if her bio still lists her 'embedded' service bigtree Nov 2012 #33
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #38
Petraeus = 1st U.S. General to be called an 'ass-kissing little chickenshit' by coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #41
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