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Takket

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41. since when is it this complicated to protect witness?

Fri Feb 9, 2024, 09:08 PM

Feb 2024

protecting witness is a pretty vital function of our criminal justice system. we cannot have trials without that ability for people to speak up with the knowledge they will be protected from retribution. on what grounds if she ruling that death threats are not worthy of protecting witnesses?

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Loose Cannon just ordered Smith turn over death threats info to tsf [View all] scipan Feb 2024 OP

Such a poor judge...law license from a Cracker Jacks box? brush Feb 2024 #1

EmptyArms Motel matchbook diploma. lastlib Feb 2024 #15

No, good judge...for Trump jmowreader Feb 2024 #20

Did Trump University teach law as well? She could well be a graduate. Bev54 Feb 2024 #56

She should return to private practice JoseBalow Feb 2024 #105

U of Michigan, believe it or not. ShazzieB Feb 2024 #62

That's surprising. She somehow got plugged into the Federalist Society loop... brush Feb 2024 #65

Hey, Ben Carson is a brain surgeon. rubbersole Feb 2024 #92

Brain surgeon specializing in MAGAts, appears to me Seinan Sensei Feb 2024 #99

Things are getting serious, no? n/t ariadne0614 Feb 2024 #2

Sounds like it. ShazzieB Feb 2024 #63

What realistic options are there for holding Cannon accountable? limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #3

Appeal to 11th Circuit scipan Feb 2024 #29

She's under the 11th Circuit BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #32

Thanks, corrected. scipan Feb 2024 #35

Omg. Clarence is emergency backup? What could go wrong?? Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #37

Well he hears any emergency requests to the SCOTUS from the 11th circuit Districts BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #42

Clarence does, but the 11th Dist Appeals Court has avoided having "emergencies" he'd be happy to ancianita Feb 2024 #121

Some of those are "senior" judges BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #123

Works for me. Thanks. ancianita Feb 2024 #124

Just got done cleaning up the kitchen BumRushDaShow Feb 2024 #125

Time much better spent! ancianita Feb 2024 #126

I think this will be appealed and Jack Smith will ask for Cannon's recusal. Demsrule86 Feb 2024 #66

I'm pretty certain he will not be seeking her recusal. onenote Feb 2024 #89

I don't know what realistic 'legal' options there are, for holding her accountable, DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #74

To file an appeal to the 11th Circuit; Smith knows Cannon can and will make a SUBSTANTIVE pre-trial ruling mistake. ancianita Feb 2024 #119

time to go to the appellate court and dump this corrupt judge. ZonkerHarris Feb 2024 #4

Time to ask for her removal SallyHemmings Feb 2024 #5

Holy cow. She is one of the worst judges ever, and there are a lot of others that are pretty bad. Liberal In Texas Feb 2024 #6

This piece of shit cultist judge wants people murdered. dalton99a Feb 2024 #7

She is this cavalier about death threats? (edited) crickets Feb 2024 #8

And she changed it from ex parte sealed to just plain sealed. scipan Feb 2024 #31

She originally allowed to be filed ex parte on a "temporary basis" while she reviewed the exhibit onenote Feb 2024 #117

That was in her order? scipan Feb 2024 #118

Here are the two relevant orders onenote Feb 2024 #122

Okay. You're right. She left herself an out. Nt scipan Feb 2024 #137

Unbelievable. sinkingfeeling Feb 2024 #9

Can the people running the criminal investigation intervene by getting someone senior to Cannon muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #10

Me thinks that she wants the 11th Circuit to remove her! WVreaper Feb 2024 #11

Well, i don't think Smith bluestarone Feb 2024 #14

Would argue what? Picaro Feb 2024 #24

Argue against removing her. ShazzieB Feb 2024 #68

i hadn't thought of that MadameButterfly Feb 2024 #44

Agree. She's done. C_U_L8R Feb 2024 #54

Derelict sicko. UTUSN Feb 2024 #12

Your post wins the thread. You conveyed it all in two words. yardwork Feb 2024 #21

Wow, way thanks UTUSN Feb 2024 #76

Why I am an old infantry soldier and not a lawyer AverageOldGuy Feb 2024 #13

You had a 16? BidenRocks Feb 2024 #58

Actually . . . AverageOldGuy Feb 2024 #75

Plug the Cannon or toss it overboard. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #16

The flat faced Federalist Society flunkie will be reversed or removed before much damage can be done. jls4561 Feb 2024 #17

Adding my voice to those senseandsensibility Feb 2024 #18

What about going back to the 11th circuit Picaro Feb 2024 #19

I think we've been waiting for her to do something this bad MadameButterfly Feb 2024 #45

I suspect that the Special Counsel office is seeking an emergency stay from the 11th Circuit LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2024 #22

Me thinks she's getting her rulings from the federalist society MagickMuffin Feb 2024 #23

ah , no. t,, already knows who. so fluff off. snork AllaN01Bear Feb 2024 #25

It is escalating. Jack says MOMFUDSKI Feb 2024 #26

Get all of these MAGA shitheads out of every office. Initech Feb 2024 #27

Reckless and disregard for the protection of witness and family relationship. MerryBlooms Feb 2024 #28

It's a cult Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2024 #30

You get it. Nt scipan Feb 2024 #34

I'm sorry this happened to you. area51 Feb 2024 #80

It was awful. It was because my father-in-law was a district judge. MerryBlooms Feb 2024 #83

My suspicion is that she's actually trying... dchill Feb 2024 #33

What confidential info has she already slipped to trump, I wonder? IcyPeas Feb 2024 #36

I thought the same thing MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2024 #55

She sure seems to suck up to trump. republianmushroom Feb 2024 #38

Time for her removal or just don't comply. Freethinker65 Feb 2024 #39

doesn't SMith put his case at risk if he goes against a judge? But MadameButterfly Feb 2024 #48

That is a great idea! MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2024 #51

If he doesn't comply, his reconsideration motion is denied. onenote Feb 2024 #88

Of course he will comply. I wasn't serious. Freethinker65 Feb 2024 #95

He might NOT comply. He might directly petition 11th Circuit instead. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #100

Is there another photo of this judge ? I think she may be AI🤔 Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #40

She reminds me of a cheap childhood doll PlutosHeart Feb 2024 #47

Ha! yes and it is seemingly the only photo that exists of her which is just bizarre?? Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #108

Vampires do not PlutosHeart Feb 2024 #138

entirely possible. Had not thought of that! Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #139

since when is it this complicated to protect witness? Takket Feb 2024 #41

What good purpose would there be to do that? Jarqui Feb 2024 #43

What a dirty trick! EndlessWire Feb 2024 #46

probably taking her orders from Trump MadameButterfly Feb 2024 #49

Seems to me "Judge" Cannon is complicit in a strategy of witness intimidation Martin Eden Feb 2024 #50

Does Mr. Smith even have the authority... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #52

She is determined to get someone killed. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #53

Either crazy or evil? area51 Feb 2024 #79

Yes could be both. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #90

Pull her clown car law credentials!! Pas-de-Calais Feb 2024 #57

May she and her enablers receive everything they deserve. Three times three. niyad Feb 2024 #59

tsf? SCantiGOP Feb 2024 #60

It stands for That Sick Fuck MustLoveBeagles Feb 2024 #78

+1 progressoid Feb 2024 #96

What can Jack Smith do Cha Feb 2024 #61

Appeal it...time to recuse this crazy Trumper judge. Demsrule86 Feb 2024 #64

I've always thought Smith was taking his time waiting for Cannon to make an escpeially egregious ruling flashman13 Feb 2024 #71

Perhaps the judge is too ignorant and uneducated in what it feels like DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #67

This is crazy MustLoveBeagles Feb 2024 #69

I'm sorry -- What does TSF mean? Poiuyt Feb 2024 #70

That sick fuck MustLoveBeagles Feb 2024 #72

Thanks! Poiuyt Feb 2024 #81

It means Trump is totally FUBAR. flashman13 Feb 2024 #73

Here we go. Kablooie Feb 2024 #77

She may end up being removed from the case redqueen Feb 2024 #82

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the recent orders. onenote Feb 2024 #84

Why does the judge want to reveal the names to the public? Sugarcoated Feb 2024 #85

She claims that it is consistent with the constitution and precedent. She is mistaken onenote Feb 2024 #86

Thank you so much for the explanation! Sugarcoated Feb 2024 #87

Trump wouldn't threaten the witnesses himself tavernier Feb 2024 #91

With the one exception of that examples doc scipan Feb 2024 #101

The document he sought to file on an ex parte basis is not one of the documents involved in the original order onenote Feb 2024 #102

Correct but Smith claims she used the wrong standard scipan Feb 2024 #104

Correct -- she should grant reconsideration on that basis, but... onenote Feb 2024 #107

Oh, okay, that's bad. Maybe no appeal to the 5th circuit scipan Feb 2024 #109

Maybe this grotesque... GiqueCee Feb 2024 #93

she has suspended her earlier order pending a decision on Smith's motion for reconsideration onenote Feb 2024 #106

I suppose... GiqueCee Feb 2024 #116

I hope orangecrush Feb 2024 #94

The ruling covered all witness moniss Feb 2024 #97

I think the death threats Cannon has been getting Emile Feb 2024 #98

Some day we'll find out just how many people he threatened directly lindysalsagal Feb 2024 #103

So, confused here. Is the judges order still bluestarone Feb 2024 #110

I believe so. Haven't seen any filing by Smith scipan Feb 2024 #111

Smith is still subject to an order to give Trump and his attorneys the exhibit to the motion for reconsideration onenote Feb 2024 #112

No, for now..she pumped the breaks.. asiliveandbreathe Feb 2024 #128

She did that yesterday with respect to the order to un-redact the witness names, statements. onenote Feb 2024 #129

I'm not sure i can trust Cannon with these copies. bluestarone Feb 2024 #130

Which copies? As the judge, she gets to see everything. Period. onenote Feb 2024 #133

Guess i didn't know this TY bluestarone Feb 2024 #134

Popok explains why she hit the breaks..on her paper order asiliveandbreathe Feb 2024 #131

Wrong. There are two separate issues. onenote Feb 2024 #135

She's doing it intentionally Diraven Feb 2024 #113

Exactly! sellitman Feb 2024 #115

Aileen M. Cannon 3825-87867 Feb 2024 #114

I have full faith in our criminal justice system. Chainfire Feb 2024 #120

UPDATE loose Cannon pumped the breaks...Meidastouch..Popok asiliveandbreathe Feb 2024 #127

Why the fuck would anything be turned over to trump? WTF themaguffin Feb 2024 #132

Because Smith has filed a motion for reconsideration that relies on an exhibit that hasn't been given to the defense onenote Feb 2024 #136

Meiselas was "sure" Smith was feverishly working on a response. WRONG! onenote Feb 2024 #140