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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:50 PM Nov 2012

Ezra Klein: Why rich guys want to raise the retirement age [View all]

Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 04:12 AM PST
Ezra Klein: Why rich guys want to raise the retirement age
by teacherken

is a must-read piece which somehow I had missed before this morning's email from Reader Supported News.

Ezra takes words Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, made to CBS, about raising the retirement age for Social Security. This is a common argument, usually offered by people who really do not themselves need Social Security, that since we now live longer than when the program was established, the age should be raised. People are now getting so many years more to get benefits from the program.

Ezra totally takes that apart. For example, he offers a chart on life expectancy for people retiring at age 65. Since 1977 those in the upper half of income have seen their life expectancy expand by six years, while those in the bottom half have gained only 1.3 years.

Ezra then writes

If you’re wealthy, you do have many more years to enjoy Social Security. But if you’re not, you don’t. And so making it so people who aren’t wealthy have to wait longer to use Social Security is a particularly cruel and regressive way to cut the program.


But there is so much more.

Many people do not do work they enjoy. They do jobs to support themselves and their families, they take what is available and provides an income (and perhaps some benefits). Klein writes

You know what age most people actually begin taking Social Security? Sixty-five is what most people think. That’s the law’s standard retirement age. But that’s wrong. Most people begin taking Social Security benefits at 62, which is as early as the law allows you to take them.

When they do that, it means they get smaller benefits over their lifetime. We penalize for taking it early. But they do it anyway. They do it because they don’t want to spend their whole lives at that job. Unlike many folks in finance or in the U.S. Senate or writing for the nation’s op-ed pages, they don’t want to work till they drop.


First, Ezra is a bit out of date. For my age cohort, full benefits were not available until one is 66, and that age is continuing to creep up under the "fix" to Social Security made in the 1980s.

But there is more. Klein quotes from Nobel economist Peter Diamond, who is a Social Security expert, and who pointed out to Dylan Matthews that those retiring at 62 lived shorter lives and drew less income than those who retired later, and that proposals like those of Blankfein and far too many in the chattering class and in politics are effectively cutting benefits for those who need them most.

Klein then writes

That’s what’s galling about this easy argument. The people who make it, the pundits and the senators and the CEOs, they’ll never feel it. They don’t want to retire at age 65, and they don’t have short life expectancies, and they’re not mainly relying on Social Security for their retirement income. They’re bravely advocating a cut they’ll never feel.


He got that right. He points out that Blankfein, whose 2011 compensation was over $16 million, paid Social Security tax on less than 1% of his income because the taxes are capped at salaries over 110,000 - and I would add are not applied on things like stock options which represent a major part of the compensation of people like Blankfein.

We then get this observation from Klein:

If we lifted that cap, if we made all income subject to payroll taxes, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that it would do three times as much to solve Social Security’s shortfall as raising the retirement age to 70. In fact, it would, in one fell swoop, close Social Security’s solvency gap for the next 75 years. That may or may not be the right way to close Social Security’s shortfall, but somehow, it rarely gets mentioned by the folks who think they’re being courageous when they talk about raising a retirement age they’ll never notice.


When I was younger, the cap was so much lower. As you can see by this chart, when I began working in the mid 1960's, the cap on wages from which the tax was deducted was only $6,600. For my work career before I left to get trained as a teacher in mid-1994, I had the experience of hitting the ceiling sometime in Autumn, after which it was like receiving a temporary pay raise when the taxes were not deducted from the remaining pay checks that year. Now as a teacher I pay those taxes on all my wages.

Someone like Blankfein and other captains of industry almost do not notice the few times the tax is deducted from them. Rank and file members of the House and Senate currently make $174,000, which means they stop paying the tax in the summer. And if the voters decide to keep them in office, they may drawing a salary from use into their 90s (Robert Byrd) or even when they hit the century mark (the late Strom Thurmond), even while they can simultaneously draw Social Security.

There is no consideration in proposals to raise the retirement age of the toll of the kind of work some people do. It is one thing to be a lawyer or a politician or a banker. It is something far different to be a coal miner, work on a loading dock, stock shelves in a supermarket. Heck, some jobs even force you out after a certain age. The FBI requires agents to retire at 57, 5 years before they are eligible for early Social Security. It is hard to imagine an ordinary fireman running into burning buildings at 66 or older.

Far too often our policies are made by people with insufficient knowledge or regard for the lives of people not like them. Thus in education policy we had in No Child Left Behind the option to transfer from a failing school to a more successful school. But how does that work in the rural part of western Nebraska where some communities still have one-room schools? Raising the age for Social Security - and before the Affordable Care Act Medicare - is an action that ignores the reality of the lives of too many people.

I am retired and on Social Security. I have gone back into a classroom in a setting that most people could not handle because I wanted to. Many of us if we do work we enjoy will continue working, conceivable even as we draw Social Security.

We should not be balancing our finances on the backs of those who have already labored enough, and who should have earned the right to some time away from jobs that were necessary but not enjoyable.

Ezra Klein has written an important piece.

I hope the policy makers pay attention.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/24/1164336/-Ezra-Klein-Why-rich-guys-want-to-raise-the-retirement-age
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He has indeed....... PDJane Nov 2012 #1
Ezra is a good man. I really love him. He's got compassion lux along with brains. roguevalley Nov 2012 #17
Social security is OFF the table! NO American, no matter one's social status, BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #2
agreed. we should be RAISING the benefits. nt tomp Nov 2012 #38
Maybe IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT, Social Security would be off the table. You're not. It isn't. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #42
Well, I should have headlined my post with BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #47
"Social security CUTS on earned benefits are off the table"? You believe this? Too funny. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #48
Yes, I believe it because it's true. You don't? Too funny. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #49
I believed that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #51
Okay. Now I see where you're coming from. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #55
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #57
Oh how mature of you. Another one of your brilliant posts BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #58
Major projection from fat cats living in a bubble Populist_Prole Nov 2012 #3
The age of retirement should be lowered, not raised Flagrante Nov 2012 #4
Flagrante is soooo right. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #14
democrats? wishful thinking. tomp Nov 2012 #39
Democrats as opposed to Republicans. I read that pretty clearly in the post. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #50
neither party can be counted on.... tomp Nov 2012 #53
President Obama has "telegraphed" compromise because, 1: He's not a dictator; BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #56
the expected delusional democrat reply. tomp Nov 2012 #59
And I don't need BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #60
i'm sorry to see your intransigent sycophancy, though it is exactly what i expected. tomp Dec 2012 #61
"It's going to take Democrats ..." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #46
great point! NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #22
Exactly! That's what I keep saying too ... 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #30
You are John2 Nov 2012 #5
the real value of the cap has gone up hfojvt Nov 2012 #6
2012 cap is ~ $110000 spooky3 Nov 2012 #36
This was great information.... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #7
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #8
I have not been able to find the source, but... VPStoltz Nov 2012 #9
People who are well off hate Social Security, and always have. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #10
A lot of people can't get hired once they're over 50 LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #11
The "trickle down" job creators, what an effing joke. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #15
"Trickle down" KansDem Nov 2012 #28
Great graphic. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #43
K&R! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #12
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #13
K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #16
Every commenter on this thread needs to make a commitment to-- eridani Nov 2012 #18
Retirement even later for blue collar workers is crazy Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #19
It really just makes more sense to allow people glowing Nov 2012 #20
+1 area51 Nov 2012 #37
He cut the best video rant ever made on this subject. reusrename Nov 2012 #21
Important subject. hay rick Nov 2012 #23
This is the best reasoned piece I have read. Thanks, will be sharing it. freshwest Nov 2012 #24
Let's just eat these fuckers and get on with our lives. RagAss Nov 2012 #25
Wow. K & r AllyCat Nov 2012 #26
Thank you for this excellent, thoughtful post. snot Nov 2012 #27
Completely missing from the discussion is the fact that, in many instances, JDPriestly Nov 2012 #29
"If ... you are over 50, talk to a lawyer ..." (1) Court victories for such persons are rare. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #45
Right. And you have to make a claim to the right EEOC or state JDPriestly Nov 2012 #52
You, of course, raise a good point when you mention that some attorneys will talk to new contacts AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #54
The people who depend the most on social security are those who work in physically laborious jobs spicegal Nov 2012 #31
Someone should kick The Wizard Nov 2012 #32
It's disgusting, but no surprise lbrtbell Nov 2012 #33
Raising retirement age again? rickyhall Nov 2012 #34
Many have no control over the age they "retire." If we lose our jobs Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #35
You defeat the purpose of SS by raising the age! The "fix" should not focus on age, Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #40
The Answer To The Life Expectancy Issue DallasNE Nov 2012 #41
K&R Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #44
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