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138. I'm not sure I was being particularly sensitive..

Reply to Kid Berwyn (Reply #119)

Wed Jul 24, 2024, 04:04 PM

Jul 24

I just thought welcoming white people people to a party created by white people was a little strange.

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Advice to white people during this momentous time in our history [View all] jmbar2 Jul 24 OP

Bookmarking Drum Jul 24 #1

Me, too. Thanks for the post Deuxcents Jul 24 #2

interesting stopdiggin Jul 24 #3

Putting it out there is the first step jmbar2 Jul 24 #4

no argument. stopdiggin Jul 24 #6

Wonderful post, jmbar2. So knowlegeable about the "Devine Nine." brush Jul 24 #153

Negative much? whathehell Jul 24 #16

Humans naturally "imitate and co-opt" culture and its elements misanthrope Jul 24 #23

Yes, especially within a diverse society.. whathehell Jul 24 #55

100% correct. stopdiggin Jul 24 #158

Not sociology but anthropology misanthrope Jul 24 #171

and I'd stick with stopdiggin Jul 24 #172

Indeed if we didn't we'd still be living in the stone age. Crunchy Frog Jul 25 #194

I don't really think the most important role of white Democrats in supporting Kamala's election Scrivener7 Jul 24 #5

It's just one example of how we can have blind spots jmbar2 Jul 24 #7

It's unserious. Have we ever told people how to behave with respect to male candidates' fraternities? Scrivener7 Jul 24 #8

There are some pretty big differences between Black and white Greek organizations and it's not a bad idea to know them. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #13

Why? Greek organizations, black or white, are not Scrivener7 Jul 24 #14

Oh, but they are. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #19

That's great. And that happened without people knowing their inner etiquette. Scrivener7 Jul 24 #24

The black greek organizations JustAnotherGen Jul 24 #28

Great post. Thanks for the insight. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #29

Thanks for sharing this jmbar2 Jul 24 #34

Warning JustAnotherGen Jul 24 #48

Well, we all have our crosses to bear jmbar2 Jul 24 #52

Thank you! Ms. Toad Jul 24 #129

well said! and in response to another post that elevated the discussion! -(nt)- stopdiggin Jul 24 #161

Well put! thank you for clarifying for others... FirstLight Jul 24 #150

Ty for informing us who wouldn't necessarily know. electric_blue68 Jul 24 #154

LOL. Those are the guys who run the country -- so we've been told all about Skull&Bones... Hekate Jul 24 #116

Its always a good time to learn new things, but teaching more ways to undo embracing diversity is not one of them, imo. msfiddlestix Jul 26 #216

true. but GIVEN that information stopdiggin Jul 24 #11

This stuff about to show up on TikTok anyway in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . Sympthsical Jul 24 #18

How I DESPISE TikTok. nt oldsoftie Jul 24 #106

Truly. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #21

There is little comparison IbogaProject Jul 24 #45

Just be careful how you introduce these organizations when you tack it on to Kamala Harris's success. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #53

Gentle nudge happy feet Jul 24 #61

I'm not the one you'll need to convince. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #65

FYI: Education and academics are not secondary to Black Greek organizations. brush Jul 24 #156

From what I can tell, as an outsider and new to learning about this cultural phenomenon, jmbar2 Jul 24 #50

Oh, the white Greek system was also about pulling others up. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #60

You have a point, but jmbar2 Jul 24 #63

You would be right. They are loyal only to their own members. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #73

As a founding member of happy feet Jul 24 #57

LOL! Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #62

I don't know anything about Black sororities other than wnylib Jul 24 #123

FYI: Members of Black Greek organizations were NOT prevented for so long from achieving recognition and success. brush Jul 24 #160

Thanks for the feedback. wnylib Jul 24 #167

I apologize for a patronizing tone. wnylib Jul 24 #192

One thing to know, pls don't refer to Black people as "blacks", it's offensive, how trump refers to Black people. brush Jul 25 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jul 25 #197

OK. My own interracial background is Native American and European American. wnylib Jul 25 #198

the whole point is that this isn't your "normal" sorority FirstLight Jul 24 #151

It's not about sorority etiquette. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #27

Thanks. You said it much better. jmbar2 Jul 24 #43

"Coopting them"? Goodheart Jul 24 #100

Mostly it turns people off who don't respect others' cultures. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 24 #103

That's a B.S. personal attack. Goodheart Jul 24 #108

It is more about treating the individuals within a culture with respect Ms. Toad Jul 24 #120

NOBODY has any permanent exclusive right to ANY human idea or activity. Goodheart Jul 24 #128

I get that you have no respect for the people whose lives and culture we white folks have been stealing Ms. Toad Jul 24 #130

Culture isn't static and doesn't belong to one particular group Zeitghost Jul 24 #147

Except you're kind of speaking for them now Sympthsical Jul 24 #157

... Drum Jul 24 #159

Awesome post! soandso Jul 24 #163

God, yes. orange jar Jul 24 #165

And, have a good look at her soandso Jul 24 #169

and now that IS a personal attack stopdiggin Jul 24 #164

I find that ridiculous soandso Jul 24 #144

the MAGAt shaman comes to mind. WhiteTara Jul 24 #184

Topic comes up in traditional music as well. Appropriation of Slave music white people are not entitled to play or sing. msfiddlestix Jul 25 #211

it's more than just unfortunate stopdiggin Jul 25 #214

Culture is culture Jk23 Jul 24 #137

Agreed. whathehell Jul 24 #40

I don't remember the post happy feet Jul 24 #51

Totally agree. Its ridiculous & condescending oldsoftie Jul 24 #105

You've lost the concept of mansplaining somehow. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #132

There's no Ally Behavior she's a fellow Democrat Jk23 Jul 24 #139

That's not the point. The point is to avoid cultural appropriation yardwork Jul 24 #134

I must be missing something soandso Jul 24 #145

It's a TikTok thing. yardwork Jul 24 #152

Brilliant! Bok_Tukalo Jul 24 #9

Here's hoping you stretched before you took that leap. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #10

Um, not so much.. whathehell Jul 24 #26

Don't forget to sit with your discomfort...that's also super important Prairie Gates Jul 24 #44

Lol..I'm disinclined to take orders. n/t whathehell Jul 24 #59

How about sit down and listen? Iggo Jul 24 #67

I considered posting on the Xitter thread, Crunchy Frog Jul 24 #193

If I suddenly feel compelled to join a sorority this will be invaluable information. BannonsLiver Jul 24 #12

lol soandso Jul 24 #146

Please, we've got more to be concerned about than whether or not Sogo Jul 24 #15

Cultural approriation is the most serious offense! Prairie Gates Jul 24 #42

So serious hueymahl Jul 24 #56

This isn't even the organization Prairie Gates Jul 24 #68

WINNING!!! nt oldsoftie Jul 24 #109

White People are welcome in the Democratic Party. Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #17

Thank you jmbar2 Jul 24 #20

You are welcome. Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #126

Really? whathehell Jul 24 #31

Sorry! Didn't know you were so sensitive. Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #119

I'm not sure I was being particularly sensitive.. whathehell Jul 24 #138

Thank you for saying I am welcome. Doodley Jul 24 #38

You're welcome! Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #122

One correction - Ms. Toad Jul 24 #22

Thanks jmbar2 Jul 24 #25

Yes! Ms. Toad Jul 24 #96

I just heard Kamala, herself, use the term "sisters" for fellow sorority members. Goodheart Jul 24 #95

Aside from using the term sister, the rest of it fits with my personal experience. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #115

Spare us the "cultural appropriation" talk. Goodheart Jul 24 #118

Respecting the culture of others, and autonomy over that culture, is a progressive value, last I checked. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 24 #124

Like I said, you make no sense. Goodheart Jul 24 #127

Considering the topic at hand, Abolishinist Jul 24 #133

Unlike the topic of this thread, Ms. Toad Jul 24 #136

Musicians really DIG when other people stopdiggin Jul 24 #166

Not at all. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #168

I see you are determined to defend the (very tenuous) stopdiggin Jul 24 #170

Ok, I clearly have a blind spot somewhere in here, but I can't figure out where it is and I need help... Trueblue Texan Jul 24 #30

Her post was explaining a cultural thing that we may not get jmbar2 Jul 24 #37

Maybe if she had used the words "info for all" instead of "advice for whites" Goodheart Jul 24 #97

That was my title - should have wordsmithed it better jmbar2 Jul 24 #99

I'm hardly worried about it. Its just divisive. oldsoftie Jul 24 #111

I reject ALL "advice to white people" WarGamer Jul 24 #32

May favorite is white people advising white people on edisdead Jul 24 #49

It's disgusting, frankly. WarGamer Jul 24 #54

LOL, yep DeepWinter Jul 24 #107

"Dear White People . . ." is how not to do voter outreach Sympthsical Jul 24 #66

+1000 nt WarGamer Jul 24 #70

I'm finding most of this thread pretty distasteful, frankly. Goodheart Jul 24 #101

I didn't have any plans to do any of those things, Mr.Bill Jul 24 #33

I didn't know about the sorority till yesterday when... ananda Jul 24 #35

I was always impressed with that scene IbogaProject Jul 24 #36

I love the step shows on Youtube. jmbar2 Jul 24 #39

Oooof Prairie Gates Jul 24 #41

Cringey AF. edisdead Jul 24 #46

Greek collegiate organizations of any kind are personally kind of strange to me in general. Tommy Carcetti Jul 24 #47

Same, something about the exclusivity at its foundation misanthrope Jul 24 #64

Is this really necessary ? Most white women supporting her are going to be younger ones JI7 Jul 24 #58

What!? lol Oneironaut Jul 24 #69

Couldn't agree more. orange jar Jul 24 #71

Thank you! MLAA Jul 24 #72

Good advice. They are celebrating their sorority and the Vice President's membership therein. Gore1FL Jul 24 #74

Just saying... Iggo Jul 24 #75

Definitely taking some heat jmbar2 Jul 24 #78

LOL .... Been there. Iggo Jul 24 #80

You talking about the replies here, or the original tweet thread? jmbar2 Jul 24 #84

Oh wow! I never even got that far. Iggo Jul 24 #91

Let's not do this. redgreenandblue Jul 24 #76

The uspside is most people in the thread can see how ridiculous this is. BannonsLiver Jul 24 #77

I'm white DownriverDem Jul 24 #79

Me too jmbar2 Jul 24 #81

um Skittles Jul 24 #82

What Skittles Said! ProfessorGAC Jul 24 #113

Ditto. roamer65 Jul 24 #176

Me either. I am glad to hear they are on our side. GoodRaisin Jul 25 #215

This is a good example how we can lose this election. Let's focus on us, not me. jalan48 Jul 24 #83

Well said. (nt) Paladin Jul 24 #86

Well said! pinkstarburst Jul 24 #92

IMO Chicagogrl1 Jul 24 #85

yup Skittles Jul 25 #196

My daughter has AKA friends . . . AverageOldGuy Jul 24 #87

I learned a lot here.Thank you for posting this great information! arkielib Jul 24 #88

Thank you jmbar2 Jul 24 #94

K&R spanone Jul 24 #89

I've spent my long life in what seemed to be the UN. multigraincracker Jul 24 #90

Something that we white people do not understand AverageOldGuy Jul 24 #93

That's one of the reasons I think this is such a unique moment in American history jmbar2 Jul 24 #98

I think you meant to say, "rich people can join anything they want " questionseverything Jul 24 #143

Isn't a huge point of the Greek system (everyone's okay with appropriating that title btw from the actual Greeks ;-) ) AkFemDem Jul 24 #189

I agree BonnieJW Jul 24 #102

Not even close to the same thing. Goodheart Jul 24 #112

I think intent is the important thing on that one Jk23 Jul 24 #141

I've been doing that for a while. This is what has been desperately needed for a long time. onecaliberal Jul 24 #104

I had no idea & am very grateful for this well-presented info! I have no background in sororities... Hekate Jul 24 #110

Noted and SHARED! FirstLight Jul 24 #114

I wonder what Michelle, an honorary member of Abolishinist Jul 24 #117

Great Obama quote! pattyloutwo Jul 24 #148

This sort of discourse will not help Kamala's election. I respectfully suggest Greek association is irrelevant. jaxexpat Jul 24 #121

I agree. What an unhelpful post. pinkstarburst Jul 24 #125

If this sort of talk stands, our victory is in jeopardy. jaxexpat Jul 24 #131

I was ForgedCrank Jul 24 #173

👍👍 Drum Jul 24 #174

"Every fissure in our house is their pleasure..." Absolutely AGREE. And is it my imagination B.See Jul 24 #177

A panty raid would be cultural appropriation, I think. Crunchy Frog Jul 24 #185

Oh, you devil! jaxexpat Jul 25 #200

Cool. Lunabell Jul 24 #135

Much appreciated. This white person says "thanks"! n/t TygrBright Jul 24 #140

Thank you Tygr jmbar2 Jul 24 #142

Wow! Thank you for that. I never knew any of this and feel glad that I now do. Stinky The Clown Jul 24 #149

MY advice to White People is unchanged from my advice to non-white people DFW Jul 24 #155

Love this! Politicub Jul 24 #162

Sororities wildflowergardener Jul 24 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 24 #178

Hi. Plan on being here long? GP6971 Jul 24 #179

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 24 #180

I'm an American supporting another American for president. Crunchy Frog Jul 24 #181

Agreed! Drum Jul 24 #183

Post wildflowergardener Jul 24 #182

My title was indeed poorly phrased jmbar2 Jul 24 #187

Post wildflowergardener Jul 25 #199

I want to know if the Greeks care AkFemDem Jul 24 #186

AKA Stroll Instructional video Mosby Jul 24 #188

This is cool jmbar2 Jul 25 #208

Answer me this, why should I even consider Abolishinist Jul 24 #190

I thought it was posted as a joke. Doodley Jul 24 #191

I am not sure this is helpful in terms of getting out the vote. Irish_Dem Jul 25 #201

nor am I. B.See Jul 25 #202

Have no idea what the hell this is about. betsuni Jul 25 #203

K & R malaise Jul 25 #204

Thank you jmbar2 Jul 25 #206

Same here malaise Jul 25 #207

The White Woman Zoom meeting is tonight 5 pacific... samnsara Jul 25 #205

Don't do this and don't do that. Don't Join in, Don't show your Support, 'don't wear these colors msfiddlestix Jul 25 #209

I moved to Japan years ago jmbar2 Jul 25 #210

Party stroll Aviation Pro Jul 25 #212

Wow! The cane pass is awesome jmbar2 Jul 25 #213

Of all the facts about Kamala Harris kcr Jul 26 #217

The Divine9 African-American fraternities/sororities have triggered a sea-change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 26 #218

And all those things have been accomplished equally kcr Jul 26 #219

They've emerged as a major force for change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 26 #220

Gee, elitest exclusive clubs have power? kcr Jul 26 #221