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TheRickles

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27. Gore couldn't even deliver his own state of NC, so I'm not sure about this tactic.

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VP choice, it's who can deliver a State [View all] edhopper Jul 25 OP

I thought it was looking for the most competent person for the job. Gore1FL Jul 25 #1

Yes the lesson learned: we need the most competent person. Irish_Dem Jul 25 #2

Winning is the first priority edhopper Jul 25 #8

Good point. But we need a VP who can win a presidential campaign on their own. Irish_Dem Jul 25 #12

I am not worried about edhopper Jul 25 #14

2030 sounds like an eon away. But it's only 6 years away. Wouldn't hurt to have someone on the younger side. flying_wahini Jul 25 #29

Why edhopper Jul 25 #36

I submit going for the most competent is conducive to winning. nt Gore1FL Jul 25 #25

They are all competent edhopper Jul 25 #80

LOL, OK. nt Gore1FL Jul 25 #82

It's edhopper Jul 25 #5

Everyone that is being considered is competent enough JI7 Jul 25 #10

If you lose because you didn't pick a VP who could help deliver a state's electoral votes elocs Jul 25 #16

The first job is winning the election. tinrobot Jul 25 #20

Yes Zeitghost Jul 25 #46

And going with the most competent person derails winning the election, how, exactly? nt Gore1FL Jul 25 #48

Competent at what? Zeitghost Jul 25 #51

At doing past jobs in general. Gore1FL Jul 25 #73

There are millions of people Zeitghost Jul 25 #78

Part of the strategy of winning is proving to the voter that we can think in terms of long-term value to them. Gore1FL Jul 25 #81

That is indeed [i]part[/i] of the strategy Zeitghost Jul 25 #94

Do we have actual supporting numbers that say people will vote on a VP based on their state? Gore1FL Jul 25 #118

You keep going back to location Zeitghost Jul 25 #121

I'm curious H2O Man Jul 25 #112

In my opinion, Mayor Pete is the smartest guy in the room. Gore1FL Jul 25 #117

Thank you. H2O Man Jul 25 #122

You are correct. See current VP Harris. we can do it Jul 25 #58

And all being considered are very competent. Elessar Zappa Jul 25 #89

It's not just competence. They are ALL competent. I agree with the OP: it's the what else they bring to the table FlyingPiggy Jul 25 #90

Define the "what elses," please. Gore1FL Jul 25 #92

PA and AZ, white straight men, moderates/independents/old gaird republicans FlyingPiggy Jul 25 #93

We took the safe choice in 1988, and 2016. Gore1FL Jul 25 #111

We lost 2016 due to bitter infighting between hillary and bernie. I think we learned a big lesson since then. FlyingPiggy Jul 25 #119

I'm Not going to refight 2016 with you. Gore1FL Jul 25 #120

I'm not refighting 2016, either. But it was EXTREMELY contentious. If you think that didn't play into the results, then FlyingPiggy Jul 25 #123

I assume you are being sarcastic, but both matter. Happy Hoosier Jul 25 #97

I'm with you Gore... democratsruletheday Jul 25 #101

I mean with Shapiro right in front of us and willing ColinC Jul 25 #3

Kamala is good on the individual rights issues - abortion, reproductive rights, civil rights MaryMagdaline Jul 25 #4

Who can deliver A state? How about who can reach voters in many swing states? Or who can Nanjeanne Jul 25 #6

Yes edhopper Jul 25 #9

So they vote for the party of the person who was their senator? Why have we lost rural white Nanjeanne Jul 25 #23

GOTV edhopper Jul 25 #26

I think they voted for the person they thought would economically make their lives better and Nanjeanne Jul 25 #44

Have running mates always brought their states? Ocelot II Jul 25 #7

Yes edhopper Jul 25 #11

No SocialDemocrat61 Jul 25 #54

I would wager the last VP nominee who brought their state was Mondale. Self Esteem Jul 25 #77

I tend to agree but it is possible someone like Kelly could also help deliver PA and other rust belt states. honest.abe Jul 25 #13

They have to look at internal polling edhopper Jul 25 #15

You can believe that. Don't know if we'll get to see any of that. kerry-is-my-prez Jul 25 #96

We won't edhopper Jul 25 #98

Whoever helps Kamala get 270 electoral votes. dalton99a Jul 25 #17

Shapiro would lock Pa but may well cost Michigan, however he has the energy and oratory that might shore up OnDoutside Jul 25 #18

These are the questions edhopper Jul 25 #19

Indeed, though it's great to have so many quality people, even those I haven't mentioned. OnDoutside Jul 25 #22

What about Shapiro would cost us MI?? honest.abe Jul 25 #21

Gaza, pure and simple, is a huge issue amongst the Arab American community in Michigan, whereas Shapiro has been OnDoutside Jul 25 #24

We are not talking about a Dem primary here. honest.abe Jul 25 #30

Even in the Primary Whitmer lost those voters JI7 Jul 25 #34

That's my point. This is not a primary. honest.abe Jul 25 #47

My point was she still won JI7 Jul 25 #70

Ah gotcha! Good point! honest.abe Jul 25 #71

I imagine those vetting VP candidates consider everything. ITo be "not sure" how the voting Ninga Jul 25 #40

I thought this was about how to win swing states. If popular vote mattered we would have no problem Nanjeanne Jul 25 #45

Yes, I was talking about Michigan. honest.abe Jul 25 #49

Yes but won't Rs vote Trump? Losing young and Muslim/Arab vote and pro Palestinian Jewish Nanjeanne Jul 25 #50

Good grief. Im not talking about Republicans. honest.abe Jul 25 #53

Good grief. Breathe. It's a discussion board. Nanjeanne Jul 25 #56

Well sorry but your comments struck me as odd. We all know how Republicans will vote. honest.abe Jul 25 #59

And my post was about Democrats. Not Republicans. But no matter. Nanjeanne Jul 25 #61

Sorry I misunderstood your post. honest.abe Jul 25 #62

No problem. I like discussions! Nanjeanne Jul 25 #68

Minor factor 🤐 quaint Jul 25 #79

Michigan has the greatest number of Arab Americans of any swing state, by far. OnDoutside Jul 25 #66

Im also good with Kelly. I suspect he could also help deliver PA and other rust belt states. honest.abe Jul 25 #69

I get the feeling that it has been the vociferous nature OnDoutside Jul 25 #109

Yes that is likely it. honest.abe Jul 25 #110

Tight? moose65 Jul 25 #32

There are 211,000 Arab Americans in Michigan, the most of any battleground state. OnDoutside Jul 25 #63

So his "star quality" could very well outshine the negative effects of his "jewishness". honest.abe Jul 25 #64

Yes it could very well, and that's my point, is it worth taking the gamble on Michigan if it means he locks Pa and OnDoutside Jul 25 #67

Agree about Gaza phoenix_rising Jul 25 #39

Michigan and Wisconsin are at risk. Tetrachloride Jul 25 #43

Kelly is from NJ and was in the military for 25 years. LeftInTX Jul 25 #113

Gore couldn't even deliver his own state of NC, so I'm not sure about this tactic. TheRickles Jul 25 #27

Gore is not from NC moose65 Jul 25 #33

Yes, you are correct - thanks. My bad, but the point still stands. TheRickles Jul 25 #37

Yes, and when Gore ran for president in 2000 pinkstarburst Jul 25 #88

Pete Buttigieg lives in MI phoenix_rising Jul 25 #28

Beshear or Walz might bring rust belt states. yorkster Jul 25 #31

this isn't an ageism slam but agingdem Jul 25 #35

I hope she picks someone on the younger side. CrispyQ Jul 25 #38

I don't believe that for one fucking second. The choice for VP is who the candidate thinks best shares their Autumn Jul 25 #41

The idea that a VP can "deliver a state" is dogma with little grounding in reality Prairie Gates Jul 25 #42

It's old and probably worked before TV was available. LeftInTX Jul 25 #114

Harris is from California, would we have won Cali without her? we can do it Jul 25 #52

Probably SocialDemocrat61 Jul 25 #57

Yes. We're solid blue moonscape Jul 25 #65

MSNBC had two guests on to talk about research on veeps spooky3 Jul 25 #55

NPR said today that experience proved to be more of a vote getter than their state. Peregrine Took Jul 25 #60

I agree! We aren't in the 1950's, 40's, 30,'s, and 20's anymore LeftInTX Jul 25 #115

Yes and no SocialDemocrat61 Jul 25 #72

My top 3 are Beshear, Cooper and Walz. But I'm starting to really get excited about Walz. Whatever Nanjeanne Jul 25 #74

Mayor Pete for VP bushalert Jul 25 #75

Right on! 🔥 n/t phoenix_rising Jul 25 #76

If Kamala picks Pete and loses, how many more presidential elections will it be before Dems pic a gay man or woman elocs Jul 25 #116

That's so old school! bif Jul 25 #83

It still has to be the best candidate edhopper Jul 25 #84

You know I am beginning to think we can win this with almost any of the top 4 or 5 VP candidates being mentioned. honest.abe Jul 25 #85

The last VP who delivered a state was LBJ in the 1960s pinkstarburst Jul 25 #86

What about Tim Kaine 2016? honest.abe Jul 25 #91

Yes, good point wendyb-NC Jul 25 #87

IMHO, because of the vulgarity of Trump... WarGamer Jul 25 #95

Not a bad choice edhopper Jul 25 #99

that's misleading. WarGamer Jul 25 #100

Those are still depressing edhopper Jul 25 #102

The convention may be a chance for a bounce. WarGamer Jul 25 #103

That is BIG edhopper Jul 25 #104

Whoever is chosen will likely become our presumptive nominee in a few years. BluesRunTheGame Jul 25 #105

I am not worried about edhopper Jul 25 #106

They almost always run... BluesRunTheGame Jul 25 #107

Not for me edhopper Jul 25 #108