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82. Do not condescend to me please. I know exactly who and what the Nation of Islam is.

Mon Jul 29, 2024, 02:01 AM

Jul 2024

They are a very tiny, overall powerless (to any remote degree) group of racist, misogynist cranks.

Your attempt to tie us black folk, plus Muslims in general, plus Vice President Harris into some fantasyland expansive scheme of control is ridiculous and, I repeat, offensive to me (and I am sure a lot of other black folk as well as Muslims of any racial or ethnic background).

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It's not going to be Shapiro. There are many people who will say his Judaism and Zionism is political suicide right now [View all] DFab420 Jul 2024 OP

I like Kelly well enough, but it'd pretty much be an all-West ticket. calimary Jul 2024 #1

Shapiro would be political suicide questionseverything Jul 2024 #2

There is very strong chattering class natter about dont put two firsts on a ticket.... getagrip_already Jul 2024 #105

I cannot, in good conscience, eliminate someone from consideration based on their religion. PeaceWave Jul 2024 #148

Nor should you... getagrip_already Jul 2024 #150

What about Joe Lieberman? Wouldn't he be the "first Jew"? BamaRefugee Aug 2024 #191

He was, but gore wasnt a first anything.... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #197

Everyone tries to forget about Lieberman Diraven Aug 2024 #215

The 1st time with VP Gore or the 2nd time with Sen. McCain? Or both? nt kelly1mm Aug 2024 #251

getagrip_already......... Upthevibe Aug 2024 #254

You are probably right about Shapiro, though he is energetic and charismatic. chicoescuela Jul 2024 #3

I just wanted to take a second to thank you for seeing this post as intended and not attacking me personally like DFab420 Aug 2024 #244

You're welcome. That's not my style. We need to get behind this ticket chicoescuela Aug 2024 #249

I hate to agree edhopper Jul 2024 #4

Sad but true. DFab420 Jul 2024 #27

Yeah TnDem Jul 2024 #5

Dearborn would love a VP Tlaib. MichMan Jul 2024 #15

That's about the only place that would love her! LeftInTX Jul 2024 #74

I would have liked an alternative in the MI-12 primary. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2024 #155

the democratic voters in dearborn can just get over it IMO nt msongs Jul 2024 #16

This is where I'm getting myself. meadowlander Jul 2024 #22

They can lodge protests votes iemanja Jul 2024 #25

I hope they know that that thing promised to reinstate the Muslim ban to the US if he's elected. catbyte Jul 2024 #132

But it's not like there aren't other great options Sky Jewels Jul 2024 #73

Shapiro can deliver Pennsylvania...a much win state...we need someone to help with the rustbelt. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #95

Demsrule86..... Upthevibe Aug 2024 #260

I keep mentioning Andy Beshear. He doesn't bring a state, but he's amazing for being a winning Democrat in Kentucky. Lonestarblue Jul 2024 #121

Agree epreic01 Aug 2024 #182

Being from KY, how does Andy Ontheboundry Aug 2024 #227

Shapiro delivers PA and why should allow a few anti-semitic protesters to tell us who our VP will be. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #160

NOT just the school voucher thing. Anyone here remember "Gasland?" Brenda Aug 2024 #195

Yea that was a thought I had too. DFab420 Aug 2024 #213

Kelly's wife is Jewish. marybourg Jul 2024 #6

Kamala's husband and step children are Jewish. Funtatlaguy Jul 2024 #11

Yes. But they aren't being compared to Shapiro. Kelly is. marybourg Jul 2024 #12

Doug's children are not Jewish. madaboutharry Jul 2024 #38

In the jewish faith, the mother determines your religion getagrip_already Jul 2024 #108

Reform and conservative Judiasm are much marybourg Jul 2024 #117

Maybe..... getagrip_already Jul 2024 #122

Yes, it can be very variable. But much less rigid marybourg Jul 2024 #123

Right but she won't be Vice President either... DFab420 Jul 2024 #30

And, Kamala's Husband is Jewish! Cha Jul 2024 #67

Why is it "offensive?" It's not denigrating Jews. nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #99

"Judaism is political suicide" Mountainguy Jul 2024 #134

Thank You, MG... I'm not gong to reply Cha Jul 2024 #147

Given that every single VP contender is a Zionist, as are Biden and Harris, lapucelle Aug 2024 #172

Walz is suddenly moving up. tavernier Jul 2024 #7

Walz is now my first choice. Since I've been seeing videos of him giving speeches, I'm totally in with him. BComplex Jul 2024 #76

Same Here WiVoter Aug 2024 #185

I've gone from "Walz? Who's he?" to "Walz is my first choice." The way he communicates is a total winning ticket. NBachers Jul 2024 #77

I like him and Buttigieg. Nt spooky3 Jul 2024 #127

How is this allowed to stand? Really DU? onecaliberal Jul 2024 #8

Yes how can we allow hard conversations about politics on this political website DFab420 Jul 2024 #24

Read the tos. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #29

Show me where I'm violating the ToS. DFab420 Jul 2024 #32

Trashing a Democratic politician! VMA131Marine Aug 2024 #187

I am sorry...but this is bigotry. We are Democrats...we don't do that. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #107

Attacking a popular governor for his religion is not a hard conversation. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #174

I don't know. I find it disgusting. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #98

What, precisely, is wrong with the OP? It does not denigrate Jews. It just states... LAS14 Jul 2024 #100

What we are going have litmus test if one is Jewish or not? I find it disgusting and has no place in the Democratic Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #109

Yes it is. There is absolutely no difference between the policies President Biden and JohnSJ Jul 2024 #131

Excellent post John .I agree completely. And Nina Turner is one of the 'leaders'. She and her followers will never vote Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #177

The only difference between Shapiro and the others if that he is Jewish. I find it disgusting. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #178

People are talking about political calculations. NH Ethylene Jul 2024 #130

Who decides that? Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #164

The VP pick is decided by Harris. NH Ethylene Jul 2024 #171

That is true...so why is sliming a popular Democratic governor a good thing...and it sure as hell looks like Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #181

This. onecaliberal Aug 2024 #217

It literally makes me ill. TBF Aug 2024 #212

So we have come to this. We can't have a Jewish V.P. marybourg Jul 2024 #9

He has alot of baggage, that will be a huge topic.. DemocratInPa Jul 2024 #18

'under-30 voters listed "Israel/Palestine" 15th among the 16 "major issues" they were asked to rank" emulatorloo Jul 2024 #28

I believe it all depends on how severe the slaughter or genocide in Gaza becomes by November Uncle Joe Jul 2024 #54

40+ thousand innocents? Or is that the totality of all deaths including Hamas and civilians killed by Hamas misfires? elias7 Jul 2024 #88

The fresh water infrastructure has been destroyed along with virtually every hospital in Gaza; an area roughly the size Uncle Joe Jul 2024 #139

I don't know where you get your intel from, but Israel is NOT targeting civilians elias7 Aug 2024 #267

Too bad. If you want to consider funding and the amount of votes in play...consider there are larger population of Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #128

These protesters do not get to decide who our VP is. I am not impressed with much of their behavior: Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #165

I know . Gallup poll from 2019 LeftInTX Jul 2024 #170

Media really did use a lot of meritless criticisms about Biden's age. Torchlight Jul 2024 #92

His religion or lack there of...is not nor ever will be baggage...not in my Democratic Party. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #112

Huh? Cosmocat Jul 2024 #140

Care to list his baggage. I live in PA and know of none. I know as AG of PA during the last election Josh did not give debm55 Jul 2024 #144

Google "Shapiro sexual harrassment" crimycarny Aug 2024 #240

What baggage? I know of none...I used to live in PA and now live in Ohio...I can almost walk to PA. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #158

He does not despite the lies and innuendo being tossed about here...and of course the out and out lies. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #186

When has that ever mattered to the media? crimycarny Aug 2024 #243

+++++ emulatorloo Jul 2024 #23

Thank you for saying this. I too can't believe what I'm reading... PeaceWave Jul 2024 #26

A ticket with a woman as pres., a Black woman at that, and a Jewish VP? brush Jul 2024 #72

Serioiusly? I am beyond disgusted by many of the posts I read here....Shapiro is out campaigning today and Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #161

Be disgusted. But vote for whoever VP Harris picks from our deep bench of choices. brush Jul 2024 #163

I always do...but I would hope the despicable posts from some...not saying you stop. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #184

That's right. It's not anti-semitism. And hamas supporters? Is that the kind.. LAS14 Jul 2024 #101

I think its going to be Shapiro Sugarcoated Jul 2024 #10

Dearborn is important but so is Bloomfield Hills. MaryMagdaline Jul 2024 #13

OTOH, putting Shapiro on the ticket could give Harris cover to be a little less pro-Israel than Biden or Trump democrattotheend Jul 2024 #14

That's actually an interesting point I hadn't considered DFab420 Jul 2024 #33

Very well said, but consider the Evangelicals. karynnj Jul 2024 #143

True, but many of us left-wing Jews who oppose Netanyahu still feel uncomfortable democrattotheend Jul 2024 #151

I get what you are saying, but do you have a problem with Harris or any on the VP rumor lost? karynnj Jul 2024 #156

No, I trust her enough on Israel democrattotheend Jul 2024 #167

You do know Israel was attacked by Hezbollah? Also Zionism just means Israel has the right to Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #159

That was exactly my point democrattotheend Jul 2024 #166

It's insane how people don't seem to understand how scary it's been DFab420 Aug 2024 #179

I believe there are a lot of Jewish voters. nt DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 2024 #17

A lot of whom are nervous and ambivalent about stirring up marybourg Jul 2024 #20

I'm Jewish and I don't completely disagree democrattotheend Jul 2024 #71

Hence "ambivalent ". marybourg Jul 2024 #120

So...you think Jews are stirring up antisemitism. Tell me how Jews should behave? I suppose they should keep silent... Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #162

I don't know if you purposely misunderstood my post, marybourg Jul 2024 #169

Shapiro has historically had a very good relationship with Pennsylvania's Muslim community DavidDvorkin Jul 2024 #19

Yes, posted earlier: from Forward: Shapiro's position on Gaza tests close bonds with Arab, Muslim community. elleng Jul 2024 #31

Huh. That's probably where I read it. DavidDvorkin Jul 2024 #63

Oh Good to Know.. TY! Cha Jul 2024 #69

I've been wondering if this might not be the case, knowing nothing of Shapiro up to this point. nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #103

Think I read that gab13by13 Jul 2024 #21

Cool, campaigning for a candidate isn't the same as being on the ticket. DFab420 Jul 2024 #37

Shapiro is a great VP pick LostOne4Ever Jul 2024 #34

There are aspirations and then there are real world politics DFab420 Jul 2024 #39

The real world implication is that the type of people who would be swayed by that... LostOne4Ever Jul 2024 #43

Or youth votes who won't vote for people with pro-zionism politics DFab420 Jul 2024 #45

Did you read the polling article or the quotes I posted? Did you read the posts about Shapiro's relationships w muslim emulatorloo Jul 2024 #48

Those youths are the tankie antisemites I mentioned LostOne4Ever Jul 2024 #50

It's driving me crazy. Nobody questioned it when we had two Christian runningmates for more than 200 years. ColinC Jul 2024 #51

Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #35

Me pointing out difficult issues doesn't make me antisemitic and DFab420 Jul 2024 #36

See my post #28. I believe you are overstating the importance of I/P to most voters, including youth emulatorloo Jul 2024 #40

He's all about private school vouchers which is a minus imho tenderfoot Jul 2024 #41

His position is private school vouchers CANNOT and WILL NOT affect PUBLIC SCHOOL FUNDING. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #42

I think you'll find out he is NOT 'all about private school vouchers,' elleng Jul 2024 #44

Shapiro line-item vetoed a voucher provision in the PA state budget. lapucelle Aug 2024 #176

Mahalo lapucelle! I'm saving this for my journal.. TY! Cha Aug 2024 #209

Mahalo, Cha. Governor Shapiro is being examined under a microscope lapucelle Aug 2024 #219

Yeah "Zionist" only means we believe Isarael has a right to Exist.. Who Cha Aug 2024 #224

so you equate Judaism with political suicide Nimble_Idea Jul 2024 #46

A complete misrepresentation of my position but go off G. DFab420 Jul 2024 #62

nah brah, it's exactly what you wrote Nimble_Idea Jul 2024 #90

Those were your words. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #113

That's what you wrote in your thread title though. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #125

Do you listen to yourself? Hekate Aug 2024 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #119

Comment was allowed to stand. Let that sink in. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #137

I'm sorry but these "he's too Jewish to be vp" posts are coming off really anti semitic ColinC Jul 2024 #47

They are not just coming off as anti-Semitic, they are anti-Semitic. tritsofme Jul 2024 #138

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Jul 2024 #49

????????????????????? nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #106

It is code for anti-semitism. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #115

Unless it's not. nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #118

It is exactly the same. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #126

I think it will be Walz Tribetime Jul 2024 #52

Walz would be good! Pretty much any of them will be good, and I trust VP Harris to pick the right one. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #56

I agree 100 % Tribetime Jul 2024 #57

Zionism? orthoclad Jul 2024 #53

I'm sure he abhors genocide, as do most people who support Israel's marybourg Jul 2024 #58

Doesn't answer my question, thanks orthoclad Jul 2024 #60

I answered it, but I guess it wasn't the answer you wanted. marybourg Jul 2024 #61

They're taking a literal view Haggard Celine Jul 2024 #83

I get the general idea of Zionism, orthoclad Jul 2024 #129

Can we afford ... FeelingBlue Jul 2024 #55

We won't be losing a Dem. He will be replaced by a Dem. marybourg Jul 2024 #59

With a special election in '26 and then another election in '28 at what would have been the end of Kelly's elocs Jul 2024 #114

As a Jew, I agree with you MyMission Jul 2024 #64

I do too! I wish we weren't in a place where it matters but DFab420 Jul 2024 #65

Based on the same voters that the OP is worried about we would have to exclude Buttigieg also. JI7 Jul 2024 #70

They will go vote for a Jewish VP before they vote for a gay VP LeftInTX Jul 2024 #75

No. There are around 200 million black Muslims, almost none are in the Nation of Islam. It's a tiny AF (less than 50,000 Celerity Jul 2024 #79

Nation of Islam is a black religious group in the United States. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #80

Do not condescend to me please. I know exactly who and what the Nation of Islam is. Celerity Jul 2024 #82

The Arabs know if they lose black support it will hurt them significantly. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #84

None of that has a anything to do with the lunatic fringe Nation of Islam. Celerity Jul 2024 #86

Religion isn't the main issue. It's a weird thing. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #87

I think it's the opposite MyMission Jul 2024 #135

Homophobia is much more ingrained. I've seen it from my kids. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #153

Who do the haters hate more?!? MyMission Jul 2024 #157

The poll you posted was about supporting Israel over Hamas questionseverything Aug 2024 #214

Thank you for putting it into perspective with numbers. Brenda Aug 2024 #198

Kelly's wife, like Harris' husband, is Jewish. lees1975 Jul 2024 #66

How does Shapiro's position get known as well as Sanders'? LAS14 Jul 2024 #111

We should stop supporting lgbt rights becsuse those same voters JI7 Jul 2024 #68

Stop RandySF Jul 2024 #78

I disagree. No one candidate will be perfect. I admit I am not familiar with Shapiro so I will hold judgement. FlyingPiggy Jul 2024 #81

And that's it, there's no one candidate who has a perfect OnDoutside Jul 2024 #85

Not a good time to be a Jew in America. Oh well, it was good while it lasted. Back to square one. elias7 Jul 2024 #89

What you just said does not support Democrats...And calling Shapiro a Zionist is bigtoted. How dare you? Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #91

I've been wondering why I hadn't seen any mention of this. nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #94

I mean, I've been called a Hamas supporter and an anti-semite DFab420 Jul 2024 #141

Your posts could be viewed as antisemitic..although I am not saying they are. I do feel it is a needless attack on a Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #173

I'm literally just pointing out weaknesses other politicial watchers are pointing out DFab420 Aug 2024 #175

Using religion to divide pwb Jul 2024 #96

So the Trump/Vance position on Israel is better?? honest.abe Jul 2024 #97

Please share YOUR definition of Zionism here, all who are reading this. Thanks! OneGrassRoot Jul 2024 #102

It's not MY definition of Zionism that is concerning. It's the youth, the progressive wing and the upper midwest Muslim DFab420 Aug 2024 #228

Bernie is Jewish. kentuck Jul 2024 #104

Why should we cater to these fringe, extremist Hamas supporters? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #110

I think most are outside agitators. kentuck Jul 2024 #124

It is pointless because they aren't voting for Democrats anyway TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #250

I'm still hoping for Walz. CanonRay Jul 2024 #116

I guess no one has listened to VP Harris speech on the Middle East, but she made JohnSJ Jul 2024 #133

I prefer Kelly, but I despise excluding a Jew because he's a Jew. Dusgusting. NT Happy Hoosier Jul 2024 #136

Sort of like how people are excluding Buttigieg all over DU because he's gay? pinkstarburst Jul 2024 #146

Shapiro also supports school vouchers TheFarseer Jul 2024 #142

Those people aren't going to vote for Kamala no matter who she picks Sugarcoated Jul 2024 #145

To those who objected to the OP on grounds of anti-semitism. LAS14 Jul 2024 #149

Someone did recently accuse those opposed to Buttigieg of being homophobic democrattotheend Jul 2024 #152

THANK YOU! I feel like it's open season for personal attacks against me just for participating in DFab420 Aug 2024 #196

I'm torn on this one... BrianTheEVGuy Jul 2024 #154

You are overblowing this issue LeftInTX Jul 2024 #168

Oh very interesting points! I hadn't seen this poll. DFab420 Aug 2024 #211

I think you're overblowing the youth sentiment. GaYellowDawg Aug 2024 #180

Calling a jew an anti semite is pretty peak online behavior DFab420 Aug 2024 #183

Not my intention GaYellowDawg Aug 2024 #190

I really appreciate you. Thank you for seeing me. DFab420 Aug 2024 #226

Thank you for accepting. I can do better. GaYellowDawg Aug 2024 #230

I agree with you, and I'm Jewish PlanetBev Aug 2024 #188

Glad someone understands what I was saying. DFab420 Aug 2024 #193

Amazingly enough, antisemitism is always a hot-button topic. Just when you think we've outgrown it... Hekate Aug 2024 #189

I don't think so. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #192

Well if I was wrong than it's also an exciting and historic ticket I can't wait to support. DFab420 Aug 2024 #194

That is how I feel...whoever it is has my full support. I have no idea if it true...there seems to more Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #200

Yea this was more a post to discuss the political theory of the times but people seemed to blow it out of proportion. DFab420 Aug 2024 #204

It's really not. Most people couldn't care less. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2024 #199

I don't think it would bowing down, and I'm not really talking about those assholes at the capital last week. DFab420 Aug 2024 #203

Every single VP prospect supports Israel. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2024 #245

Trump literally, today, made a play for the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim vote due to Shapiro even being mentioned DFab420 Aug 2024 #246

Josh Shapiro ROCKS Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #201

It would be an exciting and historic ticket if she did! DFab420 Aug 2024 #208

You do realize this decision is entirely in the hands of Harris and her vetting team. honest.abe Aug 2024 #202

Yes I do, I was engaging in political discussion about the pros and cons of candidates. I don't have to walk anything DFab420 Aug 2024 #207

Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #222

What a weird and creepy, ominous way to threaten me DFab420 Aug 2024 #223

Then stop posting this crap. honest.abe Aug 2024 #225

This is just gross RandySF Aug 2024 #205

I don't agree, I think people are just replying in an emotional manner to a political discussion. DFab420 Aug 2024 #210

This is very disappointing jujubeets Aug 2024 #216

I'm literally just pointing out what is being talked about in the political spheres. DFab420 Aug 2024 #218

It also presupposes that Gaza is the most important issue to a huge swath of voters. BannonsLiver Aug 2024 #236

Not a large swath, just enough in key states to damage our chances of winning DFab420 Aug 2024 #239

I think you should self-delete this post. It's awful. yardwork Aug 2024 #220

Why? These aren't views I hold these are views that are being discussed in the media writ large. DFab420 Aug 2024 #221

Right. Yawn. yardwork Aug 2024 #232

Ok you can continue to be rude if you want. I've explained my position and how you've misinterpreted my post. DFab420 Aug 2024 #233

Because you a going after him for HIS RELIGION, ffs Celerity Aug 2024 #234

I'm NOT going after his religion. I AM POINTING OUT OTHERS WILL. Did you even READ my post or just the title? DFab420 Aug 2024 #235

do not try and gaslight me Celerity Aug 2024 #237

Holy shit, me explaining myself is NOT gaslighting, you're just throwing out buzzwords. DFab420 Aug 2024 #238

No person of good faith is making Shapiro's religion the reason for not supporting him, it is his stances on policies Celerity Aug 2024 #241

EVERY DEMOCRATIC VP CONTENDER IS A ZIONIST, lapucelle Aug 2024 #247

Literally every Gen Z voter. DFab420 Aug 2024 #248

So the claim is that "literally every Gen Z voter" thinks "Zionism colonialism", lapucelle Aug 2024 #261

"Literally every Gen Z voter" TwilightZone Aug 2024 #263

You just need to go a see for yourself. Look at what happened on campuses DFab420 Aug 2024 #264

Thank you. Blaukraut Aug 2024 #242

I know she took herself out of the running, valleyrogue Aug 2024 #229

Yea could've been exciting but I think we were already hearing, unfortunately, lots of worry the country wasn't ready DFab420 Aug 2024 #231

At the risk of getting flagged RandySF Aug 2024 #252

I really wish you would at least attempt to treat me like a person DFab420 Aug 2024 #256

And yet... onecaliberal Aug 2024 #265

No fighting please. epreic01 Aug 2024 #253

I'm not the one fighting, I was simply framing what is being said in the media DFab420 Aug 2024 #258

My apologies epreic01 Aug 2024 #262

Personally I'm for Mayor Pete but past that Eko Aug 2024 #255

DFab420.......... Upthevibe Aug 2024 #257

Thank you, I really really appreciate you. It's been a crazy few hours of personal attacks DFab420 Aug 2024 #259

Bookmarking BannonsLiver Aug 2024 #266