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rzemanfl

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60. I was unaware of the "ascertainment" wrinkle.

Reply to wnylib (Reply #59)

Thu Aug 15, 2024, 08:08 AM

Aug 2024

What you suggest is certainly possible, despite its being illogical and fraudulent.

Thank you for the information.

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Something isn't right [View all] angrychair Aug 2024 OP

They need to be told in no uncertain terms that failure to certify without court admissible evidence will... yourout Aug 2024 #1

Who is responsible for ensuring they're officially on notice? ariadne0614 Aug 2024 #6

It's a federal election so I would think the federalys should have some say in it yourout Aug 2024 #11

State law governs pat_k Aug 2024 #42

Federal law also governs BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #45

The federal government can get involved. wnylib Aug 2024 #67

Do you know if there has pat_k Aug 2024 #68

I don't know of any challenges to the Georgia law. wnylib Aug 2024 #69

As Breyer put it in his dissent to Bush v. Gore, pat_k Aug 2024 #70

But when members of Congress are part of the coup, wnylib Aug 2024 #71

Garland? Emile Aug 2024 #37

Maybe if Biden replaces Garland Nov 6. bucolic_frolic Aug 2024 #10

Ha ha, you're not wrong! Frasier Balzov Aug 2024 #40

Here are the actual state laws and consequences: Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #32

Biden has a lot of immunity now Fullduplexxx Aug 2024 #2

Good point angrychair Aug 2024 #4

THIS FalloutShelter Aug 2024 #13

And NOTHING to lose shelshaw Aug 2024 #14

Joe Would Sacrifice his Life for Democracy Beetwasher. Aug 2024 #15

Immunity does equal impunity Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #31

You can bet they have not made arrangements for stealing in what they thought rzemanfl Aug 2024 #3

They've made arrangements to throw everything into chaos BEFORE any new Congress is seated.... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #16

The newly elected members of Congress will not be seated if their votes are not certified. wnylib Aug 2024 #19

Enough will be seated to elect Jefferies the new speaker Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #29

That's a relief. wnylib Aug 2024 #43

Doesn't that apply to the re-elected as well? rzemanfl Aug 2024 #46

I think it would apply to any persons whose win would be challenged MAGAs. by wnylib Aug 2024 #48

I would think certification applies to everything on the ballot, not races they cherry pick. rzemanfl Aug 2024 #49

But each certification is done separately. wnylib Aug 2024 #55

Not at the county and state level. rzemanfl Aug 2024 #57

They are certified separately at the state level. wnylib Aug 2024 #59

I was unaware of the "ascertainment" wrinkle. rzemanfl Aug 2024 #60

Unfortunately, MAGAs are very much aware of this possibility and plan to make use of it wnylib Aug 2024 #61

In this election, all the states are in play. rzemanfl Aug 2024 #62

I don't know how this will play out, anciano Aug 2024 #5

Unprecedented perhaps, but not totally uncharted Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #26

Trump is doing the best he can servermsh Aug 2024 #7

Fortunately, Joe is President. Anything that really stinks won't fly. In a legitimate coup attempt, Biden can do exactly brewens Aug 2024 #8

I suspect they plan to put the Blue Wave in question, we might not have any idea of what the final numbers are. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #20

Yes, he's very smug. It's either Blitzkrieg in October, or exactly as you say bucolic_frolic Aug 2024 #9

A couple of days ago, NPR reported cyclonefence Aug 2024 #12

Yes, the ABA, Marc Elias and hundreds, if not thousands, of lawyers to counter the RW attempt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #17

Trump is the Most Intensely Surveilled Individual on Earth Beetwasher. Aug 2024 #18

I disagree with Joy. madaboutharry Aug 2024 #21

That part I get angrychair Aug 2024 #25

In my state of AZ, if an election official refuses to certify, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #39

Welp, personally, I won't stand for that. CanonRay Aug 2024 #22

That could be part of it. Demobrat Aug 2024 #23

Non-certification of votes doesn't trigger a contingent election in the house Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #24

I appreciate the information angrychair Aug 2024 #30

At least now you will be anxiously well informed. Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #33

That's my understanding of the process as well. Hugin Aug 2024 #47

They won't just rely on the consciences of the election officials...TSF operatives will have to give them wiggs Aug 2024 #63

Read the CREW report to see what has already been done to thwart the disruptors Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #64

The CREW report recognizes that the threat exists, which is what the OP also says, and recommends wiggs Aug 2024 #65

The report also outlines what *has* already been done and has been effective in stopping disruptors Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #66

*Slap to your face*. "Snap out of it", (via Cher in Moonstruck) a kennedy Aug 2024 #27

No bets from me. pat_k Aug 2024 #28

What about down ballot R candidates? newdeal2 Aug 2024 #34

Yep angrychair Aug 2024 #44

Or at least they think they do. liberal N proud Aug 2024 #35

They've seen what can happen...i dont think Chakaconcarne Aug 2024 #36

Not Capable Jazz Jon Aug 2024 #38

in 2020 Trump was confident he had fixed the outcome of the election... agingdem Aug 2024 #41

Seems to me this kind of thing would affect pukes as well? pwb Aug 2024 #51

I firmly believe he's just calling it in at this point Torchlight Aug 2024 #50

I think claudette Aug 2024 #52

I agree. He's going through the motions knowing all thst it will take is one KPN Aug 2024 #53

Trump is sure acting panicky and flustered for someone who's confident he's got the whole thing rigged RidinWithHarris Aug 2024 #54

I think Trump is just low energy, and he's also furious that he can't coast to victory... D23MIURG23 Aug 2024 #56

If they do that, what do we do? Take it? ecstatic Aug 2024 #58