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12. Whoever you're describing is in no way representative of the Catholic Church or Pope Francis as
Sat Sep 14, 2024, 07:38 PM
Sep 14

the Vicar of Christ and St. Peter's successor -- whether it's about Catholics' faith, the church's 2,000-year structure, or about this nation and separation of church and state.

Here's a look at how Pope Francis (born Jorge Mario Bergoglio in Buenos Aires, Argentina) lives and believes...


...Francis has made women full members of dicasteries in the Roman Curia.[3][4] He maintains that the Catholic Church should be more sympathetic toward members of the LGBT community, and has stated that while blessings of same-sex unions are not permitted, the individuals can be blessed, as long as the blessings are not given in a liturgical context.[5] Francis is a critic of unbridled capitalism, consumerism, and overdevelopment;[6] he has made action on climate change a leading focus of his papacy.[7] Widely interpreted as denouncing the death penalty as intrinsically evil,[8] he has termed it "an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person", "inadmissible", and committed the Church to its abolition,[9] saying that there can be "no going back from this position".[10]

In international diplomacy, Francis has criticized the rise of right-wing populism, called for the decriminalization of homosexuality,[11] helped to restore full diplomatic relations between the United States and Cuba, negotiated a deal with China to define how much influence the Communist Party has in appointing Chinese bishops, and has supported the cause of refugees during the European and Central American migrant crises, calling on the Western World to significantly increase immigration levels.[12][13] In 2022, he apologized for the Church's role in the "cultural genocide" of the Canadian indigenous peoples.[14] On 4 October 2023, Francis convened the beginnings of the Synod on Synodality, described as the culmination of his papacy and the most important event in the Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council.[4][15][16]...

Francis is the first Jesuit pope. This was a significant appointment ... He is also the first from the Americas,[143] and the first from the Southern Hemisphere.[144] Many media reported him as being the first non-European pope, but he is actually the 11th; the previous was Gregory III from Syria, who died in 741. Moreover, although Francis was not born in Europe, he is ethnically European; his father and maternal grandparents are from northern Italy.[145]

As pope, his manner is less formal than that of his immediate predecessors: a style that news coverage has referred to as "no frills", noting that it is "his common touch and accessibility that is proving the greatest inspiration".[146] On the night of his election, he took a bus back to his hotel with the cardinals, rather than be driven in the papal car.[147] The next day, he visited Cardinal Jorge María Mejía in the hospital and chatted with patients and staff.[148] At his first media audience, the Saturday after his election, the pope explained his papal name choice, citing Saint Francis of Assisi as "the man who gives us this spirit of peace, the poor man", and he added "[h]ow I would like a poor Church, and for the poor".[149]

In addition to his native Spanish, he speaks fluent Italian (the official language of Vatican City and the "everyday language" of the Holy See) and German. He is also conversant in Latin (the official language of the Holy See),[150] French,[151] Portuguese,[152] and English,[153][154] and he understands the Piedmontese language and some Genoese.[155]

Francis chose not to live in the official papal residence in the Apostolic Palace, but to remain in the Vatican guest house, in a suite in which he can receive visitors and hold meetings. He is the first pope since Pope Pius X to live outside the papal apartments.[156] Francis still appears at the window of the Apostolic Palace for the Sunday Angelus.[157]

As a Jesuit pope, he has been "making clear that a fundamental task of the faithful is not so much to follow rules but to discern what God is calling them to do. He is altering the culture of the clergy, steering away from what he has named as "clericalism" (which dwells on priestly status and authority) and toward an ethic of service (Francis says the church's shepherds must have the "smell of the sheep", always staying close to the People of God)."[158]

On 13 December 2023, in an interview with Mexican broadcaster Televisa, Francis said that his "great devotion" was to the Salus populi Romani icon at the Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome. Francis also told the news outlet that his tomb was already prepared at the basilica near the icon. Francis will be the first pope since Pope Leo XIII to be buried outside the Vatican.[159]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis
'Something Far Worse Than MAGA' [View all] applegrove Sep 14 OP
I've warned the good Christians we've always been told about. There has never been a clearer with us or against us brewens Sep 14 #1
There are Christians fighting the cancer that is Christian Nationalism pat_k Sep 14 #3
I've seen him. Might be too little too late though. n/t brewens Sep 14 #4
Might be, but it gives me a little hope. (nt) pat_k Sep 14 #9
they are all nuts Skittles Sep 14 #7
Do you include the following religious people in that sweeping statement? wnylib Sep 15 #49
Thank you, pat k Hekate Sep 14 #29
All the good Jesus stuff ..Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, his opinion, man JanMichael Sep 14 #38
Unhumans - Christian Nationalism - Christian Fascism pat_k Sep 14 #2
They long for Gilead NickB79 Sep 14 #5
Blessed be the fruit. Xavier Breath Sep 14 #20
Fruit of the loon. markodochartaigh Sep 14 #22
I think bdamomma Sep 14 #34
When I started reading The Handmaid's Tale, way back around 1984 or so, the first thought I had was... mucholderthandirt Sep 15 #42
My 21 yr old lab intern had no idea the Hulu series was based on a book NickB79 Sep 15 #54
I wish those men would buy an island and Ilsa Sep 14 #6
I'm sure all the magats would (will?) be happy to jump onto this new train to hell. Think. Again. Sep 14 #8
What an amazing thread. Thank you. Frank D. Lincoln Sep 14 #10
Yeah. No. GB_RN Sep 14 #11
Education, knowledge, that's what killed this before. That's why these people hate education, want to get rid of it. mucholderthandirt Sep 15 #43
Whoever you're describing is in no way representative of the Catholic Church or Pope Francis as ancianita Sep 14 #12
Great information, ancianita.. Permanut Sep 14 #23
"Lesser of two evils" Francis? dpibel Sep 14 #27
Strange how a Jesuit can't see the difference and says it's up to you to decide. ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 14 #32
Not sure what you mean by "it." ancianita Sep 15 #51
And what happens when he dies? The next pope doesn't have to follow the current pope's policies. mucholderthandirt Sep 15 #44
Popes don't issue "policies." ancianita Sep 15 #53
These are Catholics, I believe, who have sold their souls slightlv Sep 14 #13
Considering the vitriol I've seen today relayerbob Sep 14 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Sep 14 #15
That war has been fought before... Johnyawl Sep 14 #19
And Northern Ireland relayerbob Sep 14 #36
In Amarillo a half century ago markodochartaigh Sep 14 #25
Yep. Nothing new here, really relayerbob Sep 14 #35
"God speaks to me."- Mikey Johnson rubbersole Sep 14 #16
Franco was a mass murderer. But MAGA will support political violence too, if we let them struggle4progress Sep 14 #17
As noted by Michelle Goldberg in re: the book "Unhumans" pat_k Sep 15 #40
Only the name has changed Warpy Sep 14 #18
Wait until they run into the Baptists azureblue Sep 14 #21
Been there, did that Warpy Sep 14 #30
We never had any religious persons coming around to our schools. Not where I grew up. mucholderthandirt Sep 15 #45
The USSC got rid of it by the early 60s Warpy Sep 15 #55
Madeline Murray O'hair was my first hero UpInArms Sep 15 #50
Bertrand Russell was mine Warpy Sep 15 #56
I was mercilessly teased for being catholic here by the baptists in school ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 14 #33
it's called NRx or Dark Enlightenment ideology by Yarvin who Vance admires AlexSFCA Sep 14 #24
The media isn't going to cover it. The owners of the MSM are in on it, every bit of it. mucholderthandirt Sep 15 #46
Just look at the Supreme Court progressoid Sep 14 #26
If you include Gorsuch as Anglicanism/Catholicism. . . pat_k Sep 15 #41
It's not by accident. I sometimes wonder if JFK was supposed to be bringing this stuff to fruition, and wouldn't. mucholderthandirt Sep 15 #48
Then move to Hungary! The majority here like democracy PortTack Sep 14 #28
Only one Catholic signed the Declaration of Independence PikaBlue Sep 14 #31
So, super religious men Bettie Sep 14 #37
Can You Tell The Difference? BlueWavePsych Sep 15 #39
I don't think what this describes has much support in the US JI7 Sep 15 #47
I think it's the Christian dominionist. I think Bill Barr is Catholic and beleives in that dominion over ALL bullshit Hotler Sep 15 #52
Fking religion ruins everything. EVERYTHING!!! OMGWTF Sep 15 #57
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