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whistler162

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87. Only if the Teachers Unions, at least in my area,

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:40 PM

Dec 2012

agree.

But, I am sure there will be an even bigger push for more camera coverage in the halls and externals.

There isn't one good solution for what happened in Conn.. Some of the schools I work(ed) in, itnerante PC Support, are locked down quite abit, open outdoor and secured inner door which needs you to be buzzed inm and some don't lend themselves to a heavy lock down due to the age of the building. Those you would have to renovate the building to move the main office/entrance to a location which doesn't allow the person entering full access to the school before they are checked in.

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All classroom doors should be retrofitted with locks. [View all] Barack_America Dec 2012 OP

The fire marshal may have some thoughts on that. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #1

How so? Barack_America Dec 2012 #2

For starters Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #11

Make them work like fire doors FarCenter Dec 2012 #14

Common practice in schools in my city and state Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #30

That's against the fire code. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #70

considering he came in a window CreekDog Dec 2012 #98

Sigh. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #4

The fact that there is even a debate about guns in this country Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #5

Yep, that really does sum it up well. And is so sad and pathetic. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #18

Please tell me why my suggestion wouldn't work. Barack_America Dec 2012 #6

Every school I have worked at has that arrangement, locked on outside adigal Dec 2012 #12

That has also been my experience (n/t) Tom Ripley Dec 2012 #25

Ditto. Igel Dec 2012 #54

IIRC, Lanza broke a window to get in. freshwest Dec 2012 #99

The first classroom door he encountered was locked, so he moved on to the next. Barack_America Dec 2012 #100

It might have... But a stronger prevention would have been to disallow the possession of the gun. freshwest Dec 2012 #107

Sad that so many want to cut funds rwheeler31 Dec 2012 #3

He had guns. He could blow the door off the hinges. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #7

Gun control policy will take years. All classrooms can be locked within a month. Barack_America Dec 2012 #10

This suggestion is just an attempt to let the gun owners keep their toys... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #19

The solution, if there is one, will be multi-dimensional. Barack_America Dec 2012 #24

I demand regulation of gun ownership. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #38

Nope. Completely fucking wrong. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #71

Then sign up to do it. Easier to say when it's not your ass facing these nutters, eh? Barack_America Dec 2012 #73

Doable with a shotgun and special ammunition or special breaching explosive charge ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #33

Bullets pass through doors like paper. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #41

But do they open at that point? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #53

"He could blow the doors off the hinges" Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #88

+1 Union Scribe Dec 2012 #104

I've always taught with my door open. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #8

Same here. I can't stand to have the door closed. femmocrat Dec 2012 #20

"stifling even in the winter,"-- We could save alot of money and carbon emissions by improving HVAC FarCenter Dec 2012 #23

Agree. A lot of schools have out-dated "boilers" for heating. femmocrat Dec 2012 #29

It's also a cover my ass thing proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #27

The coming video cameras will cover that FarCenter Dec 2012 #31

Sshhh. My students think they're already installed. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #40

Only if the Teachers Unions, at least in my area, whistler162 Dec 2012 #87

Oh heck... I forget it's open most of the time. femmocrat Dec 2012 #34

My first year teaching my principal told me to tape myself proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #39

Good advice, indeed. nt femmocrat Dec 2012 #45

Same here. But also, in my school the locks work exactly as the OP suggested. nt Pale Blue Dot Dec 2012 #77

It won't work... the devil Dec 2012 #9

Windows and door frames can be reinforced more easily than getting comprehensive gun control passed. Barack_America Dec 2012 #17

"I train students for lockdowns several times a year"... GReedDiamond Dec 2012 #22

Most districts probably have required lockdown drills. Igel Dec 2012 #56

How about, instead of turning our schools into locked-down concentration camps, Chorophyll Dec 2012 #13

Because students can't vote, so it's politically easier to do things to them instead. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #28

You tell me which is more likely to be accomplished. Barack_America Dec 2012 #32

I'm the mother of an only child. He's 11. My ONLY child. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #36

I'm the mother of a 2 year-old child. My ONLY child. Barack_America Dec 2012 #37

I'm in PA. badhair77 Dec 2012 #15

We did that at our college recently. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2012 #16

The guy shot the lock off the front door. nt MADem Dec 2012 #21

No, he shot out a pane of glass, either in the door or next to the door. FarCenter Dec 2012 #26

Well, whatever--he didn't ring the doorbell, that was my point. MADem Dec 2012 #42

Either turn them into wall or replace them with something like laminated Lexan FarCenter Dec 2012 #44

+1 Barack_America Dec 2012 #51

It shouldn't be rocket science; I think profiteering might get in the way. MADem Dec 2012 #92

My take bakpakr Dec 2012 #35

$$$$$$$$$ Gold Rush Dec 2012 #43

I support state and federal grants for improving school safety. Barack_America Dec 2012 #46

I support changing Race to the Top money to grants for school security. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #49

True. Maybe the federal government could cancel a few bombs or something to help out the schools? femmocrat Dec 2012 #47

We can't even get the taxpayers to pay for decent textbooks. And now we're going to retrofit all Squinch Dec 2012 #63

You think that confiscating guns is more practical than installing locks? Barack_America Dec 2012 #64

Yes I do think so. And there are plenty of countries who have enacted effective Squinch Dec 2012 #72

It won't get passed with the current House we have. Jennicut Dec 2012 #83

Tax all guns and ammo annually and at point of sale XRubicon Dec 2012 #93

A lock didn't stop him from getting into the school. Ilsa Dec 2012 #48

Everywhere I've taught has had those. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #50

It would be hard on the littlest kids Warpy Dec 2012 #52

Bathroom pass with a key on it. Barack_America Dec 2012 #55

How about, SheilaT Dec 2012 #57

You tell me what you think can be REALISTICALLY accomplished within 6 months. Barack_America Dec 2012 #60

Then let all of us who are totally outraged SheilaT Dec 2012 #69

There are schools with open floor plans. Igel Dec 2012 #58

We did that last year sorrybushisfromtexas Dec 2012 #59

It's good to have the conversation. Springslips Dec 2012 #61

For my young son? To comfort me. For millions of American schoolchildren? Barack_America Dec 2012 #62

Could be. Springslips Dec 2012 #89

what if a student killer ends up inside a classroom and starts shooting people ? JI7 Dec 2012 #65

Unfortunately, people would die. And that would be true if the door were locked or not. Barack_America Dec 2012 #66

Our classroom doors have locks already, and the teachers have the keys. kwassa Dec 2012 #67

I'm advocating the doors be locked whenever classes are in session. Barack_America Dec 2012 #68

A killer could still shoot through the doors kwassa Dec 2012 #91

Creating a bunker mentality cedes the argument to the NRA. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #74

We can unlock the doors once comprehensive gun control gets passed. Barack_America Dec 2012 #75

Ban all guns in the street and have eyes in the sky to alert when any gun is in area graham4anything Dec 2012 #76

All the classrooms in my daughter's elemetary school Shadowflash Dec 2012 #78

Were the windows impossible to open? mainer Dec 2012 #79

They didn't have time. Barack_America Dec 2012 #90

They still have to come out to change classes, leave and come into school treestar Dec 2012 #80

A 9mm slug makes a one-size-fits-all key to most locks. You'd have to armor the doors & windows. leveymg Dec 2012 #81

A security system with a direct line to the police and fire Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #82

Thank you for thinking about solutions lunatica Dec 2012 #84

I look at the replies RegieRocker Dec 2012 #85

bullet-proof glass windows in all public school buildings could be a start and campus police zen_bohemian Dec 2012 #86

Would rather turn schools into prisons than have people give up their guns. geomon666 Dec 2012 #94

Hardly. Would rather protect the kids while we fight to improve gun control. Barack_America Dec 2012 #95

I thought it was a pretty good idea, BA. Union Scribe Dec 2012 #105

I went to school in the 1950s and 60s. All of our classroom doors MineralMan Dec 2012 #96

When I went to school, the teachers would prop the doors open to get a crossbreeze. MADem Dec 2012 #97

That's exactly what I'm advocating. Barack_America Dec 2012 #106

He had a key - it was an assult weapon. liberal N proud Dec 2012 #101

I always thought Livluvgrow Dec 2012 #102

My high school... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #103