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JDPriestly

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25. I found the budget outlays on page 18 interesting too.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:41 PM
Dec 2012

The federal retirement system's holdings are an important part of our purported deficit crisis just as are Social Security holdings.

A lot of that money is due to be paid out over the next 20-30 years as the people who put it in, the baby boomers retire.

What is more, that same pattern will be repeated on the stock market. Those turning 70 1/2 now and in the coming years will be required by law to take a percentage of money out of their 401(K) accounts and move it into accounts on which they pay taxes.

That will increase tax revenues slightly (or not at all depending on the incomes of the people taking the money out and how much they take out), but reduce the amount of money available for investment in Wall Street.

This baby boomer crisis was foreseeable. The Reagan administration tried to prepare for it with regard to Social Security. We were encouraged to save, but during the Bush administration many of us lost our jobs as we began to get older and our employers could hire younger people. Some in my age group borrowed a lot of money and lost their homes.

They are now sentenced to paying rent out of their Social Security the rest of their lives. A chained CPI will be dreadful for them because rents will rise but their incomes will not increase to make up for those increases. That will shift more people to the Section 8 roles.

The crux of the matter is that the government is not doing nearly enough to encourage good paying, good tax-revenue sources such as manufacturing jobs in the US. Our trade policy sounds idealistic but is in fact dreadful. It results in the outsourcing and exporting of jobs to other countries. Our young people are working as masseuses and selling junk at the malls instead of making the things that we need like socks and pants and farm machinery.

Until we wise up and change our trade policy to favor American workers, we will continue to face a fiscal cliff.

WE the PEOPLE! elleng Dec 2012 #1
You are exactly right -- but all we hear is the debt owed by China and other foreign countries Samantha Dec 2012 #6
You're welcome, Sam. elleng Dec 2012 #9
And that tactic relies on a misunderstanding. PETRUS Dec 2012 #21
Thank you for your post Samantha Dec 2012 #28
I was pretty sure that was the answer MiniMe Dec 2012 #2
I just like to make sure everyone knows that Samantha Dec 2012 #7
US citizens hold around 80% of US debt. Social Security is a big holder. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #3
Did you add them all up or did you already have this figure? Samantha Dec 2012 #8
US Debt to the penny & who holds it: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
Lets face it, we're never going to retire. We will work until we are broken. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
It appears that is the plan Samantha Dec 2012 #10
US (us)....borrowed from the SS trust fund. Historic NY Dec 2012 #5
Yes, and the huge babyboomer retirement has started en masse Samantha Dec 2012 #11
And understand that the real "fiscal cliff" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #12
All you say is very true Samantha Dec 2012 #13
Great point. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19
And one more thing ... BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
Actually, why worry...they will never ask to collect it. your credit card debt is fine as long as kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #14
I don't know how to categorize debt owned by the Federal reserve when we all know they printed $ dkf Dec 2012 #15
Yes. Basically, for years and years, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #17
I agree with everything you say Samantha Dec 2012 #18
Social Security is not an investment plan FarCenter Dec 2012 #23
No, it is not an investment plan Samantha Dec 2012 #24
Well, that's for the $16 trillion of Treasury debt. There is another $24 trillion government agency FarCenter Dec 2012 #22
I found the budget outlays on page 18 interesting too. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #25
This is a great post Samantha Dec 2012 #27
Could you take a look at this, JDPriestly -- regarding the Post Office Samantha Dec 2012 #29
So you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26
I bet you are surprised, about as much as I Samantha Dec 2012 #30
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