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50. who are we dealing with?

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:22 AM

Dec 2012

The guy who got elected in 2008 promising to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich, but instead kept them for he whole first term even though they were scheduled to expire in 2010?

That guy?

The guy who had a health insurance plan with a public option and no mandate, but then signed a bill with a mandate and without a public option?

That guy?

The guy who campaigned on a making work pay credit, which he got as part of the stimulus, but then abandoned in favor of payroll tax cuts that heavily favor the rich and the upper middle class?

That guy?

Are we dealing with that guy, or with some other guy?

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He offered it because he knew they couldn't take it. Which means it was always safe. [View all] WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP

I hope you are right. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #1

Agree! CountAllVotes Dec 2012 #3

Me too! Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #85

Please, Proceed, Speaker democrattotheend Dec 2012 #2

Those eyes. Like a child on Christmas morning. Barack_America Dec 2012 #6

looks more like a cat that cornered a mousie. heh. no children and christmas in those eyes to me. n/ Whisp Dec 2012 #8

I thought of an eagle with a rat in its sights gliding in for the kill. nt Doremus Dec 2012 #12

I think we may have had a different approach to Christmas, lol. Barack_America Dec 2012 #16

A softening on willingness to bargain a particular chip... Bonobo Dec 2012 #4

The President's Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #28

Why not start with the Elephant in the Room, the Pentagon,, Crickets bahrbearian Dec 2012 #83

Being jerked around on such a crucial issue is not conducive to feelings of calmness. forestpath Dec 2012 #5

some of us know that it's the Pugs Obama jerks around... Whisp Dec 2012 #10

Why would he do that? Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #29

Exactly , Why would he put something on the table that doesn't add to the debt? bahrbearian Dec 2012 #84

No. He offered it because he was willing to give it to them. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #7

no. that is wrong. way wrong. Whisp Dec 2012 #13

Wrong, how? Obama still wants a deal with Republicans. Just because Boehner tanked doesn't mean MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #15

Yes, WRONG. Every time the President offers something he KNOWS the GOP Tea-Nazis will NEVER.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #73

Then WHY OFFER IT IN THE FIRST PLACE if he doesn't mean it?! Your rationale makes no sense to me. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #77

Larry O'Donnel just said that Obama offered c-cpi on Monday to close the deal TheProgressive Dec 2012 #19

Yup. This might have been the worst performance by a Dem president Doctor_J Dec 2012 #25

+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #43

Not so Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #30

So he was trying to demonstrate how completely intransigent they are? Lex Dec 2012 #9

A Democratic president should not play games with Social Security and Medicare dflprincess Dec 2012 #11

+ 10000. amandabeech Dec 2012 #17

Yeah, the OP is complete BS Doctor_J Dec 2012 #23

Did you forget this? Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #32

**coughorseshit**...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #67

. dionysus Dec 2012 #78

I think that's true. randome Dec 2012 #14

You Tube of Obama's 2006 Speech to Brookings Institute...Words from his Mouth: KoKo Dec 2012 #86

Obama loves to give them as much rope as it takes Rex Dec 2012 #18

but he makes me very very very nervous when he does that LiberalElite Dec 2012 #21

It was obvious when he tied Presidential debt ceiling authority to any deal Recursion Dec 2012 #20

**coughorseshit** Doctor_J Dec 2012 #22

What evidence do you have to support your statement? Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #34

Playing chicken with radical zealots? moondust Dec 2012 #24

Oh so the soc sec cuts are gone? I hear its still the prez's plan on the local nooze at 11. SugarShack Dec 2012 #26

Shh! Don't lie down in front of the bullshit bandwagon! Doctor_J Dec 2012 #68

how do we know this? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #27

that is an Obama-centric analysis Enrique Dec 2012 #31

We still have to keep in contact with our representatives in The Second Stone Dec 2012 #33

chess!!&*!UY!!&^!!^%&!!! bigtree Dec 2012 #35

No sheet changing, eh??? And I mean that in the nicest way possible, Will. msanthrope Dec 2012 #36

Fantasy MFrohike Dec 2012 #37

I mean, after all....we got single payer, didn't we? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #38

Single payer was not possible at that time.. President Cha Dec 2012 #41

+1 ellisonz Dec 2012 #52

He didn't even put it in to use as a bargaining point. amandabeech Dec 2012 #54

He could have gotten some sort of public option, but he never really tried. And I think he GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #63

President Obama knew what he could get. Cha Dec 2012 #79

Which was a great prize for the insurance companies. Of course he could get that. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #82

Remember how he bluffed them on free trade? On accounting deregulation? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #39

'you can't always get what you want' spanone Dec 2012 #40

But a lot of Americans can't even get what they need amandabeech Dec 2012 #55

Obamacare Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #49

Self justifying logic. How do the American people benefit from this? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #42

Just like her? DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #47

That was what I was trying to express but lost the key "wasn't" in the just like her TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #75

They don't Doctor_J Dec 2012 #70

Once again i bow donheld Dec 2012 #44

Remember what Zappa said. Bonobo Dec 2012 #45

He dangled the baby over the balcony because they couldn't demand he drop it. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #46

Clear proof of strong good hands. And effective blindfold. No worries. jsr Dec 2012 #65

Off topic? Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #48

who are we dealing with? hfojvt Dec 2012 #50

But we SHOULD be mad! Exen Trik Dec 2012 #51

That's my impression. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #53

Student councils and local governments are not playing with their elderly neighbor's lunch money. n/ amandabeech Dec 2012 #57

Very true. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #59

I signed Bernie Sanders. amandabeech Dec 2012 #60

Here's the link: allrevvedup Dec 2012 #61

Linke to Bernie Sanders' petition, and it's still open: allrevvedup Dec 2012 #62

He is playing a very dangerous game with peoples lives Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #56

The sarcasm smilie is missing from your post. idwiyo Dec 2012 #58

oh, bullshit Cosmocat Dec 2012 #64

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2012 #66

Will you know for certain Liberalynn Dec 2012 #69

Agree 100%. But you're going to take a lot of flak from the Literal Lefties.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #71

Tho I usually agree with Mr Pitt... 99Forever Dec 2012 #72

The haters are just looking for excuses to bash Obama. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #74

Oh good grief Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #81

I believe you are correct. Turbineguy Dec 2012 #76

And it is now the STARTING POINT of future negations cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #80