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In reply to the discussion: Both China and India are Amazing Stories of Poverty Reduction... We Should Stop Demonizing Them [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)92. If they are polluting their environment in order to earn $5.00 per day,
then, No, it is not a good thing.
American companies manufacture in India, China, etc. in part because of the cheap labor, but also because of the lack of environmental laws. Makes it much easier to accumulate the millions.
It would be better if we had wage and environmental laws that were universal and that protected all workers whether in developed or developing countries. We would all be better off.
One of these days, people in India and China will wake up and think back to the time when their air and water were clean and wish they had not industrialized so fast.
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Both China and India are Amazing Stories of Poverty Reduction... We Should Stop Demonizing Them [View all]
BrentWil
Jan 2012
OP
their rates go down and ours go up - while our corporate masters get ever richer nt
msongs
Jan 2012
#1
Half the babies born in America are on WIC and more Americans have trouble finding food than Chinese
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#11
The jobs coming back are very few, and most are very low paying. Your argument is dying here.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#27
I call bullshit. Show us the new markets. Show us the jobs. Our standard of living is plummeting.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#57
Come live in Northeast Ohio, specifically from 1975-present, and you'll see why.
HughBeaumont
Jan 2012
#108
"Said poster is a free trade advocate" is not a personal attack, it is the truth.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#114
I'd lean toward saying good luck selling your crap with a 10,000 tariff.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#158
By 2015 there won't be enough pro-offshoring people left in America to fill a phone booth.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#146
That is not true. When 8-hour workday was introduced demand for workers went up.
Fool Count
Jan 2012
#144
Let's get this straight. China and India are free to get out of poverty. They're NOT free
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#36
It's not a zero sum game. It's a negative sum game. If you disagree then please show
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#53
2 things wrong with your argument: 1) Job growth isn't matching population growth, and
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#73
Tariffs is not isolationism. Otherwise China is isolationist. Do you get it yet?
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#157
People will and are making more then $1.25 a day.. this is just a measurement for people
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#170
The video talks about how 70% of India's child labourers are employed in agriculture.
Saving Hawaii
Jan 2012
#8
"Much of India used child labor on farms for centuries." Much of the world really.
Saving Hawaii
Jan 2012
#13
Maybe India should employ all their 9 year-olds as janitors like Newt Gingrich suggested.
Saving Hawaii
Jan 2012
#23
Or create a system in which they educate all their citizens... one or the other
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#29
I'm certain that if they give all their 9 year-olds janitorial jobs, they'll all become millionaires
Saving Hawaii
Jan 2012
#44
I'm sure pro-offshoring free traders will find a way to offshore janitorial work while promising us
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#38
Your point? How about reality. Reality is, we are encouraging slavery by offshoring jobs.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#33
Did you really just cite Mises? I'll respond in full tomorrow, but I need to get to sleep. /nt
Saving Hawaii
Jan 2012
#43
Trade hurts us more than it helps us. We lose more jobs than we bring in. It's a negative sum game.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#28
Would our country have been better if New York couldn't freely trade with New Jersey?
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#41
Free movement of labor is also an important goal, and something to work for NT
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#71
You will never get an expanding middle class as long as we outsource jobs. So...
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#163
OMFG I am weak from laughing so hard. That was unbelievably, hilariously harsh.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#86
But we import far more from these countries than we export -- even at their cheap labor prices.
JDPriestly
Jan 2012
#93
You said, "We don't have to keep demonizing other societies that "take our jobs.""
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#31
Your arguments are sheer delusion. Especially the "win-win" part. It's been all LOSS for America.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#66
All the education in the world isn't going to trump "Cheap" in the eyes of a CEO.
HughBeaumont
Jan 2012
#98
The numbers giving or those moving from living on less then $1.25 a day to more then $1.25 a day NT
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#30
You totally didn't read the link. I showed IN DETAIL that we're literally KILLING the third world
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#47
We are killing them, besides for the fact a lot of them are now living off of more then $1.25 a day
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#50
Yeah, because China was much better off in 1945.. wait, I mean 1929.... wait I mean 1890... wait...
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#64
So you're saying the people in China deserve to suffer because of these political things?
treestar
Jan 2012
#102
You still, still don't get it. We lose far more jobs than we gain from trade. Why do you deny this?
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#119
How about, "Your arguments are the same that we hear from the US Chamber of Commerce"
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#59
How about, I like less people in the World living off less then $1.25 a day...
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#62
You're wrong for the 100th time. Jobs move out of the USA more than they are created.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#81
Brent is finding out the hard way that nobody's buying that "offshoring = win for America" bullshit
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#84
China's population will peak and start to shrink due to their disregard for pollution in an attempt
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2012
#74
Sorry this thread didn't go the way you planned. It happens to me too, sometimes!
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#88
Well said. "It should be possible to alleviate the poverty in India and China without increasing it
pampango
Jan 2012
#115
Not really, the third world countries are getting a taste of what we did in the early 20th century
treestar
Jan 2012
#165
Nonsense links? Show which links were nonsense. You can't. You absolutely cannot do that.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#141
You have a unique talent for twisting another person's words to create a straw man.
AdHocSolver
Jan 2012
#148
You are comparing the results of economic reforms done by a democracy to American Slavery...
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#154
I am also acquainted with an Indian family living in the US. Very nice people, very intelligent...
BrentWil
Jan 2012
#155
Isn't the OP basically praising a return to the Laissez-Faire Capitalism of the late 1800s?
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#139
You are praising the elimination of extreme poverty at the expense of American workers
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#145