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10. Sorry, but I can't agree--because you're being unfair--
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 12:35 AM
Jan 2012

--I'm sure Obama would love to send us to the moon, but with what money? Kennedy came into office when America was the richest nation on Earth, the most powerful nation on Earth, before the rise of China to being a superpower, and while we were still surfing the post-WWII wave where we had not suffered, as Europe had from the war and needed to rebuild our cities. We were manufacturing like crazy, people were getting educations and jobs like crazy, we were getting others out of debt rather than being in debt ourselves, and, to top it all off, we had that little contest going with Russia where we just couldn't let them get to the moon first.

Now, I don't know if you've noticed, but we don't have that kind of employment, nor are we educating and manufacturing like that (we're not even making our own technology!), nor are we as globally powerful, and our national debt has gotten kinda large thanks to a couple of pointless wars, etc. Do we really want a liberal president to tell the public that the government is going to spend billions of THEIR tax dollars on a moon base rather than on unemployment, health care, etc.? Oh, and FYI, if we're going to spend that much money on anything, I'd kinda like to get global warming under control, because if our planet goes, we go and so does the moon base because there's no way it can generate air, food, water on it's own. It'll need to import that all from Earth. This is the only spaceship we've got and, in case you hadn't noticed, it seems to be damaged and in need of repair.

So, please, don't give our "liberal" president a hard time here. He may be as close as we can get in the 21st century to a Kennedy, but he's inherited a Great Depression, not the abundance and power of the 60's. And, frankly, it's about time we saw going to the moon--and creating a moon base--as a global affair rather than an "American" affair. It is the 21st century, and we need to think like a planet, not like a country. So, sorry, no K&R for you. I, personally, do want us to go back to the moon, but I don't want to lose a liberal president over such an issue--I want my liberal president to be in office to do other things. Meanwhile, I'll hope that the Earth, as a whole, creates that moon base, as it should. Given how the U.S. has managed its own affairs lately, I'd really rather not have it be the only country in charge of a moon base.

We have lost our vision, our passion, and our fearlessnes MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #1
It was a different time, a different world. The moon can wait, earth cannot. nt nanabugg Jan 2012 #30
Oh, it was perfect sudopod Jan 2012 #37
Rec for Tyson! joshcryer Jan 2012 #2
The problem is LiberalAndProud Jan 2012 #3
I agree with the vision... thing is, when Gingrich says it, I just don't believe him. Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #4
Exactly. Skinner Jan 2012 #6
Please note that I expressed regret that it's Newt who's talking about this. LongTomH Jan 2012 #7
Precisely. Solly Mack Jan 2012 #9
Bush's toxic Vision for Space Exploration said the same crap. joshcryer Jan 2012 #26
Newt ProSense Jan 2012 #5
Yes he is shooting for Mars EC Jan 2012 #12
Mars orbit in the 2030's, no moonbase. bananas Jan 2012 #28
From what I understand EC Jan 2012 #35
K & R! lonestarnot Jan 2012 #8
Sorry, but I can't agree--because you're being unfair-- Moonwalk Jan 2012 #10
Believe me, I'm not giving Mr. Obama a hard time. LongTomH Jan 2012 #13
If you're not trying to give democrats a hard time about this.... Moonwalk Jan 2012 #20
"but with what money?" sudopod Jan 2012 #38
If the 1% & corporate tax rates were back to that decade's levels... Amonester Jan 2012 #11
you can't seriously support something like this with the republican anti govt, and wanting to cut JI7 Jan 2012 #14
And WHY do we need a base on the moon which doesn't have any oxygen. Tx4obama Jan 2012 #15
k&r nt bananas Jan 2012 #16
Oh good lord. Newt is trying to win Florida by DevonRex Jan 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jan 2012 #18
Thanks for all the comments - I'll try to continue this tomorrow. LongTomH Jan 2012 #19
I'm thinking Newt wants to use the moon as a GITMO for pot dealers. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #21
You slam the Democrats over this, as if you believe the Republicans would follow through Scootaloo Jan 2012 #22
I didn't interpret the OP as slamming the Dems. It was merely in support of space exploration. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #27
I was not slamming Democrats and I can't see how anyone could read that into my post! LongTomH Jan 2012 #36
Big difference: Kennedy meant it. Gingrich doesn't. stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #23
I think it is a real choice - moon base vs health care and social security bhikkhu Jan 2012 #24
We have large amounts of money and resources. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #43
Money is resources - it has a real physical basis bhikkhu Jan 2012 #50
If you think about it Confusious Jan 2012 #51
Basic research yes. Manned bases? A serious waste. cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #25
Of course, having never done it, we can't say that with any certainty Occulus Jan 2012 #29
What is it a waste of? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #44
so are you equating what the halfwit lizard said to what JFK said? nt Javaman Jan 2012 #31
Your final quote is so glaring... 99Forever Jan 2012 #32
Apollo Program was the best ''make work program'' ever. Octafish Jan 2012 #33
Thank you, Octafish! LongTomH Jan 2012 #39
That he did, and IIRC correctly... Rosco T. Jan 2012 #42
We eventually did cooperate with the Russians on space in the Cold War era Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #48
How about funding the arts in this country? frazzled Jan 2012 #34
That's the same luddite thinking that during the end of the Apollo program... Rosco T. Jan 2012 #40
Luddite thinking? How ignorant frazzled Jan 2012 #47
The same people who attack science in this country would end the arts as well. sudopod Jan 2012 #41
Was the President also demanding we cut all government spending? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #45
The republican model is to cut money for aid to the most needy. bluestate10 Jan 2012 #46
A final thought for this thread! LongTomH Jan 2012 #49
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