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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:45 AM Feb 2013

For those of you who want me to lay off the Pope: "Let Me Show You" [View all]

From ABC News:

“Father Marcial Maciel pushed my hand onto his penis. And I didn’t know anything about masturbation,” Juan Vaca, who was first abused when he was 11 years old, told ABCNEWS. “And he says, ‘You don’t know how to do it. Let me show you.’ And he gets my penis himself and starts to masturbate me. I was in shock.”


more from ABC - after reading this, you WILL cry:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020607141945/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_Vatican_coverup_020426.html


A taste of Marciel’s relationship with John Paul and the Vatican:

Called to accompany Pope John Paul II on his visits to Mexico in 1979, 1990, and 1993, Maciel was also appointed by the Pope to the Ordinary Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on the Formation of Priests in Circumstances of the Present Day (1990). … The golden anniversary of his priestly ordination was celebrated on 26 November 1994, with 57 Legionary priests ordained on the anniversary’s eve. … Maciel collaborated extensively with the pope John Paul II, either in person or through members of his organization, the Legion of Christ. …

He received many donations from Mexico’s richest. Maciel and the Legion gave the Vatican money, and some claim that this kept for years the Church from acting over allegations of sex abuse by Maciel.

Investigative journalist Jason Berry wrote in an April 2010 article in The National Catholic Reporter, “the charismatic” founder of the Legion of Christ “sent streams of money to Roman curia officials with a calculated end … Maciel was buying support for his group and defence for himself, should his astounding secret life become known.”


Note the word “charismatic” above. That aspect of Maciel’s persona figures heavily in his success as a seducer, his success with the Vatican, his ability to acquire great amounts of money, and ultimately the lawsuit. In 2001, the Ratzinger-headed CDF was given a mandate to deal with the growing sex scandals in the Church, which means Ratzinger was in charge of all investigations of Maciel.

Bottom line on Maciel and the Vatican — Maciel was a prolific sexual abuser, incredibly charismatic, who led the “Legion of Christ,” a highly-favored organization of acolytes (priests and seminarians), many of whom were his victims. His group had a knack for getting the rich to give them money, much of which Maciel passed to the Vatican. John Paul was a big fan of Maciel (no, there’s zero indication of anything sexual). Cardinal Ratzinger was in charge of “dealing” with the Maciel scandals, along with all the others.


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make sure to mark this on you calendars:


Unless the defense gets the RI Supreme Court to issue a stay by February 15 — the article is dated January 25 — the information in the lawsuit will be made public. It’s not the result of the suit that matters (though it matters to the niece). It’s getting at the info filed with the lawsuit, including discovery and all depositions to date.

Yep, someone did mention February 15. Just around the corner.




much more plus links:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ri-judge-delays-unsealing-legion-christ-docs
http://americablog.com/2013/02/did-the-pope-resign-to-avoid-facing-a-major-about-to-break-scandal.html



for those who have been abused and especially for recovering Catholics (like myself) who have been abused, i promise to dig, and dig, and dig.
kp
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The RCC has run the longest on-going criminal enterprise the world has ever seen. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #1
butbutbut they are protecting the CHURCH. pansypoo53219 Feb 2013 #2
The men, in that xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #27
Remember the years and millions the FBI spent looking for Satanistic Child abuse? panzerfaust Feb 2013 #32
If it were a political party instead of a church, how much support would it have here? NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #13
Lots. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #14
Depends. Does the Vatican have drones? nt Union Scribe Feb 2013 #55
I don't know; do they? NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #58
K&R me b zola Feb 2013 #3
Keep digging. progressoid Feb 2013 #4
Keep digging, kpete. calimary Feb 2013 #43
why call yourself lapsed? barbtries Feb 2013 #65
Yeah, well, you make a great point. calimary Feb 2013 #68
don't despair. barbtries Feb 2013 #70
Keep At It Kpete! leftieNanner Feb 2013 #5
Welcome to DU, leftieNanner! calimary Feb 2013 #48
I love Sinead O'Connor PNW_Dem Feb 2013 #6
She was so far head of the curve. truedelphi Feb 2013 #35
Me too. That was a hugely courageous stand to take. And she took so much shit for it. calimary Feb 2013 #46
Eff the pope, the Vatican, the Cardinals and all the corrupt creeps in that miserable institution. Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #7
Dayum I love those penguins, Arugula Latte! calimary Feb 2013 #47
Thanks! Glad you like! Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #50
Keep digging! meeshrox Feb 2013 #8
I for one appreciate it. Keep digging, buddy! rurallib Feb 2013 #9
But If You Have the Temerity To Criticiize These Criminals BlueManFan Feb 2013 #10
KP--you are doing more good, thucythucy Feb 2013 #11
+1 freshwest Feb 2013 #25
Keep digging! Excuse me while I help! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #12
Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church Go Vols Feb 2013 #18
Awesome! backscatter712 Feb 2013 #23
Oh Shit! GiveMeFreedom Feb 2013 #28
This is amuse bouche Feb 2013 #41
Dig away! Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2013 #15
Not to mention the Popes horrendous record on aids texshelters Feb 2013 #16
Expose the criminals malaise Feb 2013 #17
kpete - don't lay off KauaiK Feb 2013 #19
Keep up the good fight. Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #20
I'm surprised the Pope's apologists here haven't made more noise. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #21
I imagine the Catholics here have learned Union Scribe Feb 2013 #56
Defending child molesters and their enablers is an invitation to be mocked and bullied. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #67
Do You Think This is Why Maledict is Resigning? AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #22
Thank you for exposing the hypocrisy and crimes of the Catholic hierarchy. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #24
They should be afraid: freshwest Feb 2013 #26
but what about the thousands of nuns and priests who don't abuse Swagman Feb 2013 #29
the hierarchy of the church weren't thinking of them when they were busy covering their butts. liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #30
true Swagman Feb 2013 #31
They need to find a better church. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2013 #33
They are willing participants in a system that they know is corrupt Marrah_G Feb 2013 #51
All the good charitable work could be accomplished without a "church". nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #62
I'm sorry that you were abused. I hope you heal fully and quickly. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #34
I hope no one here is giving you a hard time about this. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #36
Oh-boo hoo. The all-knowing, infallible, all-powerful catholic church can't take the truth! lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #37
FWIW... I was raised Catholic Flying Squirrel Feb 2013 #38
K&R The Pope is the face of evil. forestpath Feb 2013 #39
I am truly proud of myself for escaping amuse bouche Feb 2013 #40
But, but... lolly Feb 2013 #42
Keep digging. If you think Pope Ratz quit for any other reason you are sadly deluded. Initech Feb 2013 #44
I left the church years and years ago. October Feb 2013 #45
The Pope belongs in prison. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #49
k & r SfromCanada Feb 2013 #52
K&R MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #53
K & R Wednesdays Feb 2013 #54
Read "Constantine's Sword" by James Carroll. alfredo Feb 2013 #57
Anyone think Hitler will react to the Pope's resignation? Kennah Feb 2013 #59
My bad. He has. Kennah Feb 2013 #60
I'm just wondering if MichaelHarris Feb 2013 #61
Why would you lay him off? He's resigning at the end of the month. TheManInTheMac Feb 2013 #63
more on systematic abuse of children in orphanages... hue Feb 2013 #64
We survivors know chervilant Feb 2013 #66
Ratman was given the Papacy (in part) as a kickback for his Dawson Leery Feb 2013 #69
someone once said a respectable religion is a cult plus time, but the Catholic Church is working yurbud Feb 2013 #71
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