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In reply to the discussion: Remember the Project for a New American Century? You know those guys who wanted war with Iraq? [View all]calimary
(81,261 posts)42. And ol' myth wrongney had a bunch of 'em lined up to be his foreign policy advisors.
MAN did we EVER dodge a bullet there!!!
These greedy belligerent fiends are like trapdoor spiders. Hiding for now, but ever-present. And just waiting for their time to come again.
WHENEVER you have to decide on a candidate for high office, you can't afford just to study that candidate and leave it at that. It's more critically, even urgently, important to know who they have assembled around them to advise them and coach them and "educate" them about issues and policies. It's not just the candidate him/herself. IT'S WHO THEY BRING INTO OFFICE WITH THEM!!! Especially those who don't need Senate confirmation or any other kind of formal vetting as a condition of hiring or of being appointed. Those, especially, are dangerous because they are thus accountable to no one but the successful candidate who brought them into power.
So you have to watch EVERY republi-CON and even so-called "moderates" and "independents" - both of whom are in actuality neither all that moderate NOR that independent. I worry that even a Jon Huntsman might bring some of the PNACers in with him if he got elected. Because, moderate or not, he's still a republi-CON, and we all know painfully well who republi-CONS hang with, and listen to, and pay the most attention to, and to whom they give the most access and who they freeze out and ignore.
From here on, that HAS to be one of the leading guidelines for deciding for whom to vote. Just one example: randy scheunemann - a BOARD MEMBER of the PNAC from the earliest, advised rummy on Iraq, advised john mccain on foreign policy during hte '08 campaign, coached (in some frustration, I might add) sarah palin in her debate prep against Joe Biden, and was often consulted when wrongney was the candidate, in both press queries and behind the scenes. These bad pennies just keep turning up, again and again and again and again. And let's all remember john bolton. He has VERY PNAC-dirty hands - remember the obnoxious spectacle he made of himself while (I CRINGE to say this) America's ambassador to the United Nations during the bush/cheney years. What an utter slap in the face to the whole world!!!! And he was circling around the outskirts of the wrongney foreign policy team - already considered a likely Secretary of State. JESUS, MARY, and JOSEPH!!!!! OH GOD would we have been sunk as a country if THAT had happened.
I was stunned, several years ago when I noticed Michael O'Hanlon's name as a PNAC signatory. SHOCKING!!! During that miserable time when bush/cheney held America hostage, the ONLY voice that was allowed ANY room or face-time at all in the media SUPPOSEDLY to "represent" the opposing view on the buildup to the Iraq war. He was from the Brookings Institution, at the time the ONLY think tank or foundation or institution to be found on the left side of the political spectrum, while even back then there was the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, the Cato Institute, the Hoover Institute, the Eagle Forum, and umpteen-dozen other organizations available to go on camera and on radio and in print and write those editorials and commentaries and appear on all those talk shows and cable programs and panel discussions and guest (and even guest-host) on all those millions of hate-radio shows. On our side, there was only the Brookings Institution - when anybody in the media even bothered to make room for the "other side." And fucking michael o'hanlon's name turns up as a signatory of the PNAC. SHEESH!!!! A true wolf in sheep's clothing. And HE was the only one we had. Or the only one who was given any exposure - SUPPOSEDLY to represent the opposing view. That's certainly one for the "Yeah, SUUUUUUUUUUUURE" file. When I spotted his name on that PNAC list, I freaked! Brookings Institution be damned - he was one of THEM. One of the BAD GUYS.
Hey, brothers and sisters, remember the warnings Mad-Eye Moody always gave to Harry Potter: one, of course, was "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!!" And the other one was "YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW!!!!!" Just as you've got to know who the Death Eaters are in the Harry Potter world - you've ABSOLUTELY, DEFINITELY, and URGENTLY GOT TO KNOW who the bad guys are in real life and politics. You've GOT to know not only who the players are, but who's advising them, putting ideas into their empty heads, and steering them toward and into directions of sheer evil, war, death, and criminality.
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Remember the Project for a New American Century? You know those guys who wanted war with Iraq? [View all]
Cleita
Feb 2013
OP
I think it's fascinating that some original PNACers and their relatives (thru AEI) were also
TwilightGardener
Feb 2013
#1
When they lost General Petraus, they lost their main inside man in this administration.
Katashi_itto
Feb 2013
#71
And ol' myth wrongney had a bunch of 'em lined up to be his foreign policy advisors.
calimary
Feb 2013
#42
A lot of people also don't know Bush warrantless wiretapping started prior to 9/11...
Spitfire of ATJ
Feb 2013
#17
That's a big problem actually. See, these people didn't go away. They were arrogant
harun
Feb 2013
#44
Here's a list I made back in 2010: PNAC members in positions of power during the Bush pResidency...
Ghost in the Machine
Feb 2013
#29
I really hope Cheney goes to trial somewhere. I hope he forgets some day that several
Cleita
Feb 2013
#36
How about Hagel? He was a Republican who voted for the war, people run around here claiming
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#81
Again - We're At A Point Where We All Know Where The Sleeping Dogs Lay - And We Know What They Are..
global1
Feb 2013
#79
I'm hoping. She is basing it on that Hubris book so since I haven't read it, I don't
Cleita
Feb 2013
#65
and despite bush being out of office, those pnac dominoes keep falling: libya, syria...
HiPointDem
Feb 2013
#78
No, I think the original wording of the Iraq War Authorization was intended
TwilightGardener
Feb 2013
#84