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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
53. Not worried.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:25 PM
Feb 2013

I don't see the point of proving that Obama wants to cut Social Security. Every proposal he has made hasn't panned out.

This will never pass the Senate. I expect Democrats, including Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, to vote against such a proposal.

In fact, in the last Congress Senator Sanders had a coalition of 29 Senators who stood against cuts. That coalition has likely grown with the newly elected Democrats.

We'll know in a few weeks. Likely there will be push back, but simply restating this gotcha about the President wanting to cut Social Security is pretty useless. It may feel good, but it doesn't mean a damn thing.

K&R Imagine the outrage if BUSH were suggesting this MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #1
I feel twice the outrage toward Obama for repeatedly suggesting this iemitsu Feb 2013 #25
That's exactly how I feel. You EXPECT betrayal from the likes of Bush. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #44
A Republican can never "betray" a liberal. Only Democrats, who pretend to be a friend, can BETRAY MNBrewer Feb 2013 #57
That's how I feel. 840high Feb 2013 #49
+1000 Generic Other Feb 2013 #95
Is there a diffrent word than cut or slash to define the process now? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #244
Psssst! Do you think maybe Pres O keeps offering to cut SS bcuz he knows these TheDebbieDee Feb 2013 #204
No MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #205
Then you haven't been paying attention in the past 4+ years. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #276
Oh, yes, I have. I've never seen Obama be anything but serious with Repugs. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #277
Do you know what's wishful thinking? BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #278
So you would support the Chained (excuse me, Superlative) CPI if Bush proposed it during his MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #279
Again, BlueCaliDem Feb 2013 #283
And I don't - repeat don't, as in DO NOT - trust the founder of the Catfood Commission. MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #286
Transparent manufactured outrage Sheepshank Feb 2013 #295
SS is not "scheduled to run out in 2033" unless youre predicting 20 more yrs of recession FogerRox Feb 2013 #290
YES! That is what he did in the Fiscal Cliff negotiations that made us view him with such Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #237
that is what I think we are seeing here too. putitinD Feb 2013 #245
Ugh. cui bono Feb 2013 #246
Really? Then how come at the end of the fiscal cliff negotiations we got the tax increases Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #273
So Obama's Catfood Commission, with Simpson trashing retirees dependent on SS, MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #258
A sickness that will only be fatal to the elderly and vulnerable. forestpath Feb 2013 #2
I followed all the links and I saw no references to "chained cpi"? xtraxritical Feb 2013 #59
"Chained CPI"="Superlative CPI" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #67
"With protections for vulnerable" jberryhill Feb 2013 #3
How many people living only on SS AREN'T vulnerable? forestpath Feb 2013 #4
Agree. That is exactly why more fortunate people should get less out of the system when they bluestate10 Feb 2013 #8
What does "more fortunate" mean? An extra can of beans? forestpath Feb 2013 #10
Not all retired people on Social Security... cheapdate Feb 2013 #31
and 2/3 of them rely on SS for 50% or more of their total income. 1/3 rely on SS for 90% or HiPointDem Feb 2013 #52
I have no doubt that your statistics are accurate. cheapdate Feb 2013 #58
yes, maybe 1% of the top 1/3 of recipients. whose maximum benefit, like everyone else's, is HiPointDem Feb 2013 #69
I call pure bullshit. My current benefit will be $3600 per month and I still have many bluestate10 Feb 2013 #88
maybe you should take a look at the SS website. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #108
Facts are bullshit. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #119
No. I know that letters that I get are facts. The figure gave seems pulled out of the air. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #160
$2,513, it seems MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #165
apparently. even linking to the SS website doesn't dissuade the poster. people used to be ashamed HiPointDem Feb 2013 #173
You should determine between median amounts and person dependent amounts. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #161
that's an estimation of your *future* benefit, with estimated inflation adjustments wrapped into it. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #172
the SS website clearly states what the current maximum benefit is. that you choose to continue HiPointDem Feb 2013 #177
Do you still get a summary every year? I thought they stopped sending those a few years back. kath Feb 2013 #143
I got a summary last year or the year before. My benefit then was already over 3 thousand bluestate10 Feb 2013 #162
According to the ss website, max. at full retirement age is about $2400 per month Progressive dog Feb 2013 #243
Then there would be no cut or "savings". TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #51
+10000 woo me with science Feb 2013 #138
Wrong, there would be savings. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #163
In Voodoo mathematics land. The wealthy people don't exist in enough numbers nor pay out enough TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #217
Only after she gets less money for a decade or so. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #5
Are you quoting verbatim. jberryhill Feb 2013 #7
Perhaps you should read up on Obama's plan MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #11
It's not scaled to any individual retiree, the reduction is over TIME Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #38
2/3 of SS recipients rely on it for more than half of their income. 1/3 rely on it for more than HiPointDem Feb 2013 #26
So we can assume you are against the Chained CPI? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #76
What "protections" for the vulnerable? truedelphi Feb 2013 #215
When one makes a bullshit claim, it is a good idea not to post information that bluestate10 Feb 2013 #6
One of us is reading challenged MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #9
It's only visible to some. Autumn Feb 2013 #14
Casual character assassination has become rampant on DU. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #16
Exactly how is calling speculative bullshit character assassination? bluestate10 Feb 2013 #91
You wrote "There is nothing in the White House document about chained CPI" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #120
No answer. Marr Feb 2013 #133
I sleep at night, I don't troll the web all the time like some. As a matter of fact, I don't troll bluestate10 Feb 2013 #164
That may be the most non-sensical excuse I've heard yet-- congratulations. Marr Feb 2013 #201
That person either has head in sand or cant or wont read. FogerRox Feb 2013 #291
Frankly, I consider it a sign of low character to simply walk away Marr Feb 2013 #296
Yes indeed. FogerRox Feb 2013 #297
To say the White House document says nothing about "chained CPI" is rather like saying . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #187
Well, you should know Summer Hathaway Feb 2013 #116
You mean the one that says "with protections for jazzimov Feb 2013 #19
Wait. Does it say "superlative CPI" or not? And have you MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #20
What "actual" plan? You posted a document that you said was the "plan". Now, do you bluestate10 Feb 2013 #85
Median SS income = $13K/year. 1/3 of recipients rely on SS for >90% of their income; 2/3 rely HiPointDem Feb 2013 #27
Exactly, so the savings come from reducing the benefits to the wealthy bhikkhu Feb 2013 #39
the highest benefit is $2513/mo. people that get it are already taxed on up to 85% of it, with HiPointDem Feb 2013 #41
You have no details on the president's proposal bhikkhu Feb 2013 #102
in fact, obama has had chained cpi on the table several times. from the horse's mouth: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #105
But other than the President's own words, you got NUTTIN' MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #234
That would mean that it would make more people . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #81
you are SOOOO naive Skittles Feb 2013 #101
To believe the president's proposal is what he says it is bhikkhu Feb 2013 #103
do you get paid for this? Skittles Feb 2013 #106
As we've both been here for a long time you might notice bhikkhu Feb 2013 #111
uh...yeah, ok LOL Skittles Feb 2013 #112
So... Democratic President Barrack Obama is hell-bent on cutting Social Security benefits...? TheProgressive Feb 2013 #12
I second your motion TheProgressive. iemitsu Feb 2013 #29
The motion has a 2nd to 'remove the SS cap'.... all in favor ---> TheProgressive Feb 2013 #32
Yea..... iemitsu Feb 2013 #34
Duly noted... TheProgressive Feb 2013 #36
I know that seniors need the money because iemitsu Feb 2013 #97
no. It's a stupid and unnecessary idea. Stupid because doing so winds up making a small HiPointDem Feb 2013 #42
yea DiverDave Feb 2013 #122
YEAH putitinD Feb 2013 #248
If you support Raising the Cap, you should have voted for THIS guy: bvar22 Feb 2013 #60
I voted for that guy - enthusiastically! But MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #63
But...I don't see "cut to Social Security" in that list. ??? Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #114
Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #13
The OP is a master at that. And to surmise from his amen corner posts, there are many bluestate10 Feb 2013 #73
So do you favor chaining SS to the CPI or not? Cant tell from your post. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #78
There was nothing in the document about coupling SS to the CPI. I see facts where bluestate10 Feb 2013 #93
Yes, but how do you feel about chaining SS to the CPI? You must have an opinion. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #121
SS should not be indexed to the CPI, but some services offered to the SS administration bluestate10 Feb 2013 #166
I agree. That's why I am disappointed that he isnt arguing from higher ground. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #171
Here . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #198
It's feeds on its self every couple months like clock work JoePhilly Feb 2013 #135
Yes, my fellow DU member and Mass resident Manny is as predictable as a broken clock. nt bluestate10 Feb 2013 #167
Non-specific snark rant is the best rant Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #208
So one thread on this... one_voice Feb 2013 #15
we need lots of threads about it, even more. it's a hell of a lot more important than pictures HiPointDem Feb 2013 #28
YOU may need lots of threads.. one_voice Feb 2013 #35
By *we* I mean the majority of the population for whom SS is one of the crucial issues of the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #37
SS is very important to me... one_voice Feb 2013 #40
better negativity than to take one's eyes off the prize and get fucked on a weekend. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #43
Well if you need to read the same thing multiple times... one_voice Feb 2013 #46
It's not 'the same thing' multiple times. The news changes on a daily basis. it's not 'the same HiPointDem Feb 2013 #48
This thread is the same thing as the thread he linked to... one_voice Feb 2013 #54
bfd HiPointDem Feb 2013 #55
Well obviously you thought it was... one_voice Feb 2013 #64
no, i didn't think it was. *you* thought it was; i thought the opposite. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #68
Remind me to change my ID just1voice Feb 2013 #72
Don't forget to change your ID one_voice Feb 2013 #84
For those who will be negatively affected by the Chained CPI, you are correct, reading sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #150
i wish manny was the only poster on DU datasuspect Feb 2013 #197
Actually, I'm more here for those than the Obama-bashing. byronius Feb 2013 #82
So somebody else put that up on the President's website as his proposal & he doesn't know about HiPointDem Feb 2013 #109
Chinese hackers, no doubt! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #139
Strategic kabuki, designed to embarrass the GOP. Not going to happen. Nothing he offers will be byronius Feb 2013 #179
The proposal is up on the white house website. Whatever it is, it's up there representing the HiPointDem Feb 2013 #181
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratsForProgress Feb 2013 #206
Not trying to shut down discussion; just advocating for the continuance of Republican-punching. byronius Feb 2013 #232
i'm happy to punch republicans for stuff that matters. like their plans to institute chained cpi. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #265
You're a fairer lefty than I, then. That was a ridiculous display of political ineptness. byronius Feb 2013 #269
Don't worry, this thread will be repeated every 3 months until Obama leaves office. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #184
good. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #191
I figure if Obama wanted to kill granny, he could just use the Death panels JoePhilly Feb 2013 #193
nothing to do with anyone 'wanting to kill granny'. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #199
Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #274
Perhaps if the White House proudly called it "cutting Social Security by 5% or so" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #50
Well gee Manny aren't we all lucky... one_voice Feb 2013 #65
Well, given that multiple known-smart DUers on the thread you reference MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #66
With an ego like that.. one_voice Feb 2013 #70
Gee Manny. Try not to shame those of us that work with finance and budgets regularly. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #169
Really, kinda beside the point. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #71
It's called sizzle without steak. Or more to the point, it's called pure bullshit.nt bluestate10 Feb 2013 #77
So are you saying that chaining SS to the CPI is a good idea or not? nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice Feb 2013 #83
Actually, we did.....I spotted this one, I didn't spot the other BY A DIFFERENT DUer tpsbmam Feb 2013 #168
You obviously don't understand eleventy-dimensional chinese checkers. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #17
Once again, Manny offers his offerings. Whisp Feb 2013 #18
Our Progressive President. truebluegreen Feb 2013 #21
blah blah blah 'h3r3 comes 3rd way manny blah blah blah' pasto76 Feb 2013 #22
Manny! I missed you!!!! snooper2 Feb 2013 #23
Oy. tblue Feb 2013 #24
"With protections for the vulnerable." EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #30
A wise person keeps an eye on anybody in authority. caseymoz Feb 2013 #87
I agree. That is so much rhetoric."protections for the vulnerable". How stupid do they think we are? rhett o rick Feb 2013 #174
And yet.... Omaha Steve Feb 2013 #33
Manny I wouldnt call it a "sickness", it's a tactic. One might wonder what the hell Simson-Bowles rhett o rick Feb 2013 #45
they can't speak to the issues because they *know* most americans don't support chained HiPointDem Feb 2013 #47
Not worried. ProSense Feb 2013 #53
So nothing on the White House website means a damn thing then? just1voice Feb 2013 #80
Here: ProSense Feb 2013 #90
The problem with considering your question is "nothing ... means a damn thing" which is an patrice Feb 2013 #104
It would start in 3 years. A 65yr old would then see a $130/year decrease, about $10.25/month JaneyVee Feb 2013 #56
That $130 a year mean a month without medications for many seniors. amandabeech Feb 2013 #94
That's not ok. madfloridian Feb 2013 #100
No its terrible. No reason to hurt people already struggling to survive when the rich do nothing JaneyVee Feb 2013 #118
+ 100 Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #210
Maybe we're all supposed to be too busy arguing about guns to notice? Skip Intro Feb 2013 #61
You are right, the President did offer to cut SS Progressive dog Feb 2013 #62
He'll get his Grand Compromise to blast SS, 2014/2016/Beyond BE DAMNED. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #74
WTF? world wide wally Feb 2013 #75
Our food bill ran 15-percent higher in 2012 over previous year. Octafish Feb 2013 #86
Not only that, Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #92
Fact: Costs more to live every year. Octafish Feb 2013 #157
RIght - the COLA they use now is ridiculous, and drastically underestimates real inflation. kath Feb 2013 #151
The most billionaires and millionaires in history are here and now. Octafish Feb 2013 #156
To further illustrate your point, in 1983 the cap was at 90% today its at 84%. FogerRox Feb 2013 #292
Is this a cut to Social Security? Or does it merely prevent Social Security from increasing? OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #89
It's a cut from what's currently promised. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #96
You are right, Manny. Check out this link. madfloridian Feb 2013 #99
Thank you for your post! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #123
K&R Obama explicitly campaigned on opposing Social Security cuts woo me with science Feb 2013 #98
Great compilation Woo! MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #130
Black is white. "Superlative" is vicious. woo me with science Feb 2013 #272
Back to that canard, eh, Manny?? cliffordu Feb 2013 #107
Manny has been wrong so much, he may get something right one of these days. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #170
Weird, last week I posted at V&M a clip of Thom Hartmann predicting the return of chained CPI alp227 Feb 2013 #110
Has Obama actually said he's proposing the chained CPI? napi21 Feb 2013 #113
The killer here is the MESSAGE. Even Obama thinks we need to cut SS. Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #115
They know it's going to be tough madville Feb 2013 #117
Not so difficult. Restoring *all* tax rates on the wealthy to Clinton-era levels MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #124
That doesn't help much when we are running madville Feb 2013 #125
The only way to truly fix the debt is to grow the economy. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Progressive dog Feb 2013 #131
Interesting ProSense Feb 2013 #134
Did "on the wealthy" not show up in my post when you viewed it? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #142
My bad, but ProSense Feb 2013 #149
Not hard at all. Raising the cap on SS would solve most of the future problems sabrina 1 Feb 2013 #254
Obama will offer to cut Social Security even after he retires jsr Feb 2013 #126
Probably because its not going to happen. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #189
Manny, it's one of the 7 Habits of Sensible People jsr Feb 2013 #127
Ahh.. Another hyperbolic Manny claim that will never happen. Everyone panic!!! tridim Feb 2013 #129
So Obama's proposal was put on the White House site by Chinese hackers? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #140
I'm disputing your constant bullshit. tridim Feb 2013 #145
Link to a specific "bullshit" post, or apologize, or MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #154
Manny if the poster linked, the poster wouldn't have time for any thing else. bluestate10 Feb 2013 #175
So we can file you under "coward" MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #180
Not just coward. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #213
You are just sputtering for sputtering's sake. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #212
Actually Manny's post is not predicting anything. Manny's post is pointing out Autumn Feb 2013 #141
Manny has been predicting Obama will cut SS and medicare for years. tridim Feb 2013 #144
The OP was not a prediction. As for being right, the offer is on the White House web site. Autumn Feb 2013 #147
So link to a few of my predictions that were wrong. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #155
Stop picking on Manny One of the 99 Feb 2013 #263
Manny has decided its better to suggest, than to predict. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #183
I don't think Manny is in charge of the White House policy or their web site Autumn Feb 2013 #186
Every 2-3 months, same exact hair on fire thread. Again. And again. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #188
It's a simple fix. Obama can take it off the table, and mean it. Autumn Feb 2013 #200
All I predicted is that Obama was going to offer/call for cuts. And he did. MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #242
It is so tedious, isn't it? I sometime wonder when the 100 or so rec'ers of this tripe Number23 Feb 2013 #230
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #267
Missed this yesterday.... daleanime Feb 2013 #132
No. Hekate Feb 2013 #136
Every door seems to be a rabbit hole. blackspade Feb 2013 #137
A rabbit hole that many on DU happily hop down behind Manny. nt bluestate10 Feb 2013 #176
I remember when the apologists said Obama would *never* push for a chained CPI. Marr Feb 2013 #146
I fully expect ProSense Feb 2013 #152
Did you expect anything else from a "moderate Republican"? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #148
+ Infinity Octafish Feb 2013 #158
Bad move for the Democratic Party. Cleita Feb 2013 #153
doubt it: it's not about whether the GOP may or may not hypocritically use this as a bludgeon, but MisterP Feb 2013 #202
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #159
It's just a rumor. Obama will veto any cuts, whatever they're called, to SS. Won't he? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #178
How can he veto them after HE PROPOSED THEM??? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #257
mind explaining why you post a 'Superlative CPI with protections' means no food for ss people? Sunlei Feb 2013 #182
For all those defending Obama n2doc Feb 2013 #185
So he's going to do it THIS time? JoePhilly Feb 2013 #190
I have no idea. Neither do you. n2doc Feb 2013 #192
I've been right every other time its been predicted. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #194
And I hope you are right. n/t n2doc Feb 2013 #195
You don't get to say, "I told you so"-- sorry. Marr Feb 2013 #218
Let's say I have a mint condition Babe Ruth rookie card ...and you want it. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #284
Actually, you're the one making the irrational argument here. Marr Feb 2013 #288
My irrational arguement has held true ... JoePhilly Feb 2013 #289
And once again, its not happening. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #196
IT'S IN THERE! markpkessinger Feb 2013 #203
It was apparently placed on the site by CHINESE HACKERS, not Obama MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #209
Oh, right . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #249
But he obviously didn't mean it. woo me with science Feb 2013 #270
LOL! n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #271
Knee jerk, "shoot Manny" is now deflated. Yall got to admit Manny got it right FogerRox Feb 2013 #293
+1 n/t markpkessinger Feb 2013 #299
If the offer wasn't a cut... why mention "protecting the vulnerable"? Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #207
You know, ProSense Feb 2013 #211
This is, I think, the second time you have called me a "Hillary fan" Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #220
Here ProSense Feb 2013 #221
Okay? So in over a thousand posts you have found the following: Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #223
Yes, ProSense Feb 2013 #224
Why do you keep dodging the question? I am gonna put it in bold for you Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #225
Well, it means ProSense Feb 2013 #226
You are still dodging a very simple question Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #228
Interesting ProSense Feb 2013 #231
Can you just answer the question? n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #236
Can you ProSense Feb 2013 #239
LOL! Okay, I give up. Can anyone ELSE explain what the hell he is talking about? n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #240
LOL! "She" ProSense Feb 2013 #241
Random misdirection. Marr Feb 2013 #251
Gotcha, thanks. n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #255
It is not to be taken seriously. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #264
I don't take you fucking seriously. ProSense Feb 2013 #280
I take my fucking seriously. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #301
Wow ProSense Feb 2013 #282
...what? Marr Feb 2013 #287
Don't sweat it. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #305
There are a lot of commercials on DU. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #266
Yeah, ProSense Feb 2013 #281
I'm not a Hillary fan dflprincess Feb 2013 #227
You know ProSense Feb 2013 #229
You don't. Jakes Progress Feb 2013 #306
Yeah, that line really takes the cake. woo me with science Feb 2013 #285
It's part of the deal with the Repugs .. so he'll capitulate .. just watch. YOHABLO Feb 2013 #214
Can't do it by himself, now can he. I'll wait to hear the whole plan, thank you. judesedit Feb 2013 #216
He is trying to stop a nightmare. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #219
A nightmare proposed by the White House, in a very risky gamble markpkessinger Feb 2013 #247
Trying to save us from th nightmare. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #250
I think it was foolish . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #252
Sane people would never think they would act... Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #256
Really. So why rename it with a less scary title? Marr Feb 2013 #253
You C'mon. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #260
Yeah, isn't that ironic. Beacool Feb 2013 #303
So conceding ground to terrorists is "protecting" us? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #259
It is the american people that has conceded ground to terrorists Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #262
Oh Manny, you're our ant. Tryin' to move that big ol' rubber tree plant. great white snark Feb 2013 #222
Do you ever get tired of being wrong? You throw the same shitfit every other month. MjolnirTime Feb 2013 #233
Which part of this OP is potentially wrong? MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #235
Ahh yes eleventy dimensional chess which only you understand..... FogerRox Feb 2013 #294
From the time I started lurking here, CheapShotArtist Feb 2013 #238
I've been hearing for weeks how Obama is much more popular than the Repukes Doctor_J Feb 2013 #261
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2013 #268
Kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #275
Lets at least be honest Chained CPI is NOT the same thing at Superlative CPI Sheepshank Feb 2013 #298
They both cut 130 billion in 10 years from SS benefits, do you deny that? FogerRox Feb 2013 #300
two comments one from the article Sheepshank Feb 2013 #302
Both cut 130 billion from SS benefits, yes or no.......... FogerRox Feb 2013 #304
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