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patrice

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4. An analogy: You can go through life believing in the times-tables, receiving them from "authority",
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:36 PM
Mar 2013

knowing them by rote memory, using them mechanically in REACTION to the effects of power that have already transpired.

Or you can go through life identifying rationally with a phenomenon called "multiplication"; understanding and acquiring instances of the times-tables from experience; personal memories of the relevance and personal significance of numbers included in who you yourself are; using multiplication willfully PRO-ACTIVE, and, hence, creatively, by more autonomous and personally relative direction to whatever extent possible, to respond to the past, to deal with the present, and to project significance into the future, all of which are value and, hence, belief laden.

The difference between these two modes of belief is the "infidelity" of which Thomas Paine speaks.

I like the art, the incense, but I draw the line at original sin.... midnight Mar 2013 #1
He was talking about the Western Christian view of Original Sin. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #2
"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man." Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #3
people don't need a God to be cruel to each other liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #6
But, doing God's Will comes in handy as a rationalization for cruelty. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #19
An analogy: You can go through life believing in the times-tables, receiving them from "authority", patrice Mar 2013 #4
I take it more literally to mean he was saying freedom of thought RainDog Mar 2013 #5
The United States of America, and I think Mr. Paine would have agreed, was the crowning achievement Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #7
It was flawed from the beginning by slavery RainDog Mar 2013 #8
The Enlightenment may not be over, but it's been in hibernation here for about two centuries. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #9
The arc has been toward extending human rights RainDog Mar 2013 #10
Yeah, that kind of misses the point though, doesn't it? Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #12
history is what it is RainDog Mar 2013 #13
Certainly not here in dumbfuckistan, where fantasy is King and all the serfs are fat & happy. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #14
Paine was a brilliant rhetorician and laugh-out-loud funny: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #11
Thank you for that read. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #15
He was an interesting figure RainDog Mar 2013 #16
Thanks for the referrals and references. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #17
My focus was on printing (and rhetoric) RainDog Mar 2013 #18
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