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15. What about the 100's of gun nuts who want more weapons

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 08:48 PM

Mar 2013

and will give up nothing. And I have yet to SERIOUSLY see anyone on these forums advocate a total ban on private ownership of guns. And to call it a constant refrain shows either a lack of understanding of written English or a disregard for the truth.

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"A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to THE SECURITY of a free state..." Some facts for you [View all] TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 OP

Yay! shenmue Mar 2013 #1

Better yet, truth with LINKS to the actual DOCUMENTS. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #2

They have links to tbe tobacco industry. nt Cary Mar 2013 #112

The same Alexander Hamilton, who boasted of being in 10 duels, before being killed in the 11th one.. Ghost in the Machine Mar 2013 #205

Interesting... onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #3

Careful Crepuscular Mar 2013 #5

Backing slowly away from keyboard... onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #6

No, by all means... Crepuscular Mar 2013 #8

Yes, that comment was entirely too reasonable. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #196

"Take the guns away" is an extreme characterization. I know lots of people interested in more patrice Mar 2013 #7

Seriously? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #9

Seriously? You believe everyone on the internet is honest? ... is what they portray themselves as? patrice Mar 2013 #10

I'm confused Crepuscular Mar 2013 #13

None of which justifies the dysfunctions that we are seeing. Some FEW idiots propose to take the gun patrice Mar 2013 #21

Um, my cohort? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #36

Acolytes of corporate gun-personhood patrice Mar 2013 #133

Yeah, Sure. Crepuscular Mar 2013 #136

ALL? You fail to notice that I asked you earlier WHAT PERCENTAGE. Why did you fail to notice that? patrice Mar 2013 #138

And, btw, you're saying NONE of them are, so you negate your own (mistaken) critique of my position. patrice Mar 2013 #139

Whatever Crepuscular Mar 2013 #140

So they say it but don't mean it? Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #28

What about the 100's of gun nuts who want more weapons Progressive dog Mar 2013 #15

read some gun threads Crepuscular Mar 2013 #20

And you think all of that stuff is authentic? If not, what percentage would you guess might not be patrice Mar 2013 #23

Authentic? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #27

That's either, intentionally or otherwise, naive, or dishonest. In either case, you just proved #21 patrice Mar 2013 #29

? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #42

Clearly there is some astroturfing ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #52

Astro-turfing from both directions. Corporate gun-persons are not sitting on the sidelines here. nt patrice Mar 2013 #132

Most of the pro gun organizations show a much wider contributor base than the anti gun ones ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #145

Thanks for that info. Just thinking gun manufacturers, such as those on the board of NRA, and patrice Mar 2013 #149

74% of the NRAs funding comes from the gun manufacturers TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #217

No Astroturfing, No false-equivalence: TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #214

Go look at the VPC ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #215

You mean the Violence Policy Center? TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #216

You have not been around long enough to give your statement much weight ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #24

What a silly elitist thing to say Progressive dog Mar 2013 #76

A suitable retort to someone making such broad statements as you did ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #143

Well then show me Progressive dog Mar 2013 #175

Here is a very blatant one who has been PPR'd (again) ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #179

Since this is "again" who was he before? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #181

Zombies usually betray themselves over time. Some even own up to it ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #182

Just skimmed the TOS and can't find where answering the question is a violation Progressive dog Mar 2013 #184

You did see the poster in the thread who said they support total confiscation? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #185

No I missed that but not a big count yet, huh Progressive dog Mar 2013 #190

Here's one Brainstormy Mar 2013 #128

Would you leave the police armed? premium Mar 2013 #129

Anyone that would use a firearm against an LEO for *any* reason , even a legitimate one, will Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #163

I agree that if you point a gun or shoot a cop, premium Mar 2013 #165

and survival against a government not necessarily trusted at that time. AlbertCat Mar 2013 #40

Thank you for this. So sad isn't it, even when one may in fact be VERY right, violence makes you patrice Mar 2013 #4

As long as you are bringing "facts" to the discussion ... former9thward Mar 2013 #11

The theme of Federalist Paper 46 is no different from Federalist Paper 49 TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #44

Don't know what anarchism has to do with this. former9thward Mar 2013 #49

I was standing Madison's argument on its head by QUOTING him? TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #53

"And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes." ieoeja Mar 2013 #123

I highlighted the "wrong portion" because you don't like it. former9thward Mar 2013 #130

I "re-write history" by QUOTING ... you? ieoeja Mar 2013 #134

But Madison also couldn't conceive that the people and states would need/want to endlessly jmg257 Mar 2013 #135

VERY good point TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #193

Yawn. beevul Mar 2013 #12

I'm not sure what you're claiming here. Can you elaborate? TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #47

He's claiming here that *facts* bore him, as they almost uniformly do our "pro gun progressives"* apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #80

facts bore gun lovers but they spout samsingh Mar 2013 #153

Yep. Nails it. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #158

Guns impossible to regulate going forward TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #14

So you joined DU just to say the lie that technology has advanced too much to enforce laws? SunSeeker Mar 2013 #16

So your solution is making 3d printers illegal? TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #19

My solution would be making 3D patterns or blueprints or whatever illegal wyldwolf Mar 2013 #25

And that would work on exactly the people you dont need to worry about... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #33

the people I don't need to worry about wouldn't be printing guns wyldwolf Mar 2013 #35

Right now. My point was in 5 years, they will be on practically every desktop around. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #41

Says who? wyldwolf Mar 2013 #43

Says industry experts - which apparently you know more then. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #65

Industry "experts" say 3D printers would make gun control pointless? wyldwolf Mar 2013 #79

You really dont expect such a transparent attempt at dodging to work do you? TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #115

What's the problem? Why not start with existing problems that we know about NOW...i.e. jmg257 Mar 2013 #116

I disagree. There are no laws that will ever solve this, even remotely. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #120

As mentioned in another post...may be appropriate cause for regulating ammo and reloading jmg257 Mar 2013 #122

It's no dodge. Once your point was debunked, you altered it. wyldwolf Mar 2013 #137

Ah, I see. Claiming victory in defeat... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #141

LOL. ok, good luck with your 3D printer and home made toy guns. wyldwolf Mar 2013 #144

Why do I get the feeling they've been re-running WEIRD SCIENCE on late night TV? TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #194

Not quite that easy.... but - TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #201

Would regulating the parts of regulated weapons help stem this new technology? jmg257 Mar 2013 #202

That is a fairly Luddite approach and will be no better than its namesake ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #38

it's a very effective approach, actually wyldwolf Mar 2013 #39

Actually you can do both, but I understand where you are coming from ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #45

It's not terribly difficult.... paleotn Mar 2013 #31

The problem is that sucidal maniacs dont care about jail... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #117

This is actually an insightful argument as to why ammunition will have to be regulated. jmg257 Mar 2013 #118

If you think regulating assult weapons is a difficult proposition... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #124

Nope, no more than I'd make Sudafed illegal. It's what you DO with it. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #60

LOL. yeah, that's BS. wyldwolf Mar 2013 #17

True RobertEarl Mar 2013 #18

Again, it has nothing to do with rights anymore. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #26

So what is your solution to the problem? Or are you saying there should be no regs at all uppityperson Mar 2013 #32

Maybe we could actually address societies problems/inequalities and mental health issues pediatricmedic Mar 2013 #54

Anyone can keep a gun in the house, but not a bullet in the street graham4anything Mar 2013 #34

That cat's been out of the bag RobertEarl Mar 2013 #37

If your argument is that it's pointless to ban arms manufacturers from selling certain types of TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #51

No, my argument contains essentially 4 points... TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #142

How long do you think it will take for the field of files to remain irreparably polluted by fakes? Occulus Mar 2013 #180

Your not very savy about reputation and community feedback systems are you? TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #186

Counterfeiting is legal now? jberryhill Mar 2013 #77

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DainBramaged Mar 2013 #126

I'm not too worried about plastic guns with plastic bullets and home-made gunpowder. arcane1 Mar 2013 #127

"Go to sleep," whisper the corporate lackeys. Orsino Mar 2013 #169

What are you talking about? The gun industry itself will be obsolete when this technology takes off. TampaAnimusVortex Mar 2013 #187

I'm talking about firearms. Orsino Mar 2013 #200

“I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms" - Barack Obama hack89 Mar 2013 #22

You're not really fooling anyone, hack. I know you think you are, and it's a nice try. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #84

You going to deny that president actually said that? hack89 Mar 2013 #89

You're not really fooling anyone, hack. I know you think you are, and it's a nice try. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #92

So do you agree with the President? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #100

You're not really fooling anyone, hack. I know you think you are, and it's a nice try. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #101

He relies on us to give bim authority. Cary Mar 2013 #113

Heh, I don't deny that A) people have a (natural) right to defend themselves and their property, and TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #195

They were simply restoring and protecting the traditional right to bear arms hack89 Mar 2013 #198

Or confirming it, rather than restoring it. For anyone to claim (as Madison inferred) that the TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #208

Militia's were organized well below state/colony level One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #206

And, of course, "well regulated" actually means regulations are acceptable. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #30

The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to put restrictions on the government....not the people. davidn3600 Mar 2013 #46

Here's why you're wrong about the Second Amendment. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #86

K & R good article Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #48

Hmm, who to believe. The Supreme Court or some anonymous user of a political chatboard? MadHound Mar 2013 #50

And dont forget the state Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #55

I'm not sure what the contradiction is? TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #56

This is not the only odd--and wrong--Scalia decision. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #58

This is what you stated, MadHound Mar 2013 #59

The Supreme Court didn''t actually 'rule otherwise.' TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #78

Again, who to believe, an anonymous internet poster, MadHound Mar 2013 #94

*Facepalm* TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #197

I believe Stevens and 200 years of precedent, not the ridiculous Scalia decision you cite. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #57

Except, as I stated, it just isn't the Heller ruling, MadHound Mar 2013 #61

The Florida Constitution states that madville Mar 2013 #63

So? SunSeeker Mar 2013 #68

Right, who cares about state rights madville Mar 2013 #71

I didn't say they couldn't govern themselves, just that they aren't always right. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #75

As Stevens' dissent pointed out, the Heller ruling contradicted SUPREME COURT precedent. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #64

Umm, I don't know what Stevens was talking about, MadHound Mar 2013 #67

Try reading the Stevens and Breyer dissents. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #69

I have, MadHound Mar 2013 #70

It is the only Supreme Court case to have interpreted it that way. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #73

You obviously don't have a legal background, MadHound Mar 2013 #90

LOL. Way to mansplain it! SunSeeker Mar 2013 #121

Yep - the Heller ruling was the "Dred Scott" and "Plessey v. Ferugson" of our generation: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #99

The President thinks the 2A protects an individual right. Is he wrong? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #62

No. Unfortunately, that is the law now thanks to the ridiculous 2008 Heller decision. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #66

President Obama disagrees with you and says the 2nd amendment is an individual right davidn3600 Mar 2013 #72

I'm not running for President. I'm not trying to pander to gun nuts. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #74

Hmmm..."MadHound" praising a 5-4 Rightwing court with Scalia in the lead...who to believe? apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #83

So, I suppose that you also disagree with President Obama MadHound Mar 2013 #93

So, I suppose you completely and totally support President Obama's recent gun control proposals? apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #96

Actually I do, MadHound Mar 2013 #103

Actually, you don't - as shown over and over and over again, particularly with your opposition to apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #105

Got links? MadHound Mar 2013 #109

"Care to continue calling me a liar" - Why should I get in your way? You're doing a bang-up (no pun apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #147

"though I think that it will be fairly toothless, since the definition of "assault weapon" is so.." apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #107

The fact of the matter is the definition of assault weapon is pretty amorphous, MadHound Mar 2013 #110

Thanks for the laughs. You are good at this. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #125

There's another one up there saying everyone on the internet is authentic, so every time we see patrice Mar 2013 #131

The funny thing is, posters like that who have spent YEARS peddling the pro-NRA line are suddenly apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #148

Yes, it is quite a spectacle. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #167

You sure are anxious to get on the side of that right-wing Scalia court when it comes to their apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #98

Hmmm...where did the Scalia supporter get off to? One wonders... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #102

Impatient one, aren't you. MadHound Mar 2013 #104

Scalia supporters don't really impress me all that much - nor does his legal career impress the apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #106

Yep, just ignore all the previous precedents set in lower courts, MadHound Mar 2013 #111

You go right on supporting a right-wing supreme court justice's (Ronnie Raygun appointment) premier apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #150

Spot-on OP, with irrefutable facts. Kick, Rec. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #81

Thank you! TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #211

There's also the actual powers granted to Congress in the text of the Constitution. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #82

You didn't make it a sentence without insulting the people you are trying to reach Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #85

Baloney. You just don't like the *FACTS* presented, to wit: the founding fathers did not care apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #87

I hate to burst your.. sendero Mar 2013 #88

Ahhhh, yet *another* "pro gun progressive"* who couldn't be bothered to read the content apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #91

You are.. sendero Mar 2013 #95

You are...another "pro gun progressive"* apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #97

"Enjoy your, ummm, stay... " sylvi Mar 2013 #146

Do you now? I guess we'll see, won't we? Enjoy your, ummm, stay, too. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #156

Yes. We will see. sylvi Mar 2013 #160

Indeed. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #161

It is rather ridiculous pintobean Mar 2013 #168

Ahhhh...someone's been missing their Meta fix. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #170

Ironic. nt pintobean Mar 2013 #173

Tell me about it. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #174

Yes. We shouldn't believe that thigns are possible just because they happened before. n/t Orsino Mar 2013 #172

Kinda rolls off the tongue though... Turbineguy Mar 2013 #108

Now THAT's funny! The 'minute men' TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #192

Good summary...a couple points to remember.. jmg257 Mar 2013 #114

Of course the militia refers to "ordinary" citizens. That has always been the case, and it's... slackmaster Mar 2013 #119

Somebody always posts this ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #183

Congress has been silent on the issue for more than 100 years now. slackmaster Mar 2013 #188

100 years - Really? ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #189

Gotta love the impotent appeals to "should" that aren't supported by any kind of reasoning slackmaster Mar 2013 #199

That is not a rebuttle ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #207

And your brand of originalism, in turn, offers a dubious interpretation of the 2nd. dairydog91 Mar 2013 #151

well researched and well argued. this is the truth and all those opposed samsingh Mar 2013 #152

this should be recommended a thousand times samsingh Mar 2013 #154

NRA has gunorrhea of the brain. RedCloud Mar 2013 #155

Leave ME out of that Militia HockeyMom Mar 2013 #157

From Natural Law One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #159

Message auto-removed snurpsfnurbs Mar 2013 #162

Jesus Christ - can't you even come up with something original? cyberswede Mar 2013 #164

That would require having, you know, one's own ideas arcane1 Mar 2013 #166

That gun troll actually linked to something called "whiteswillwinparty." apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #171

To be fair... cyberswede Mar 2013 #176

I just thought if you clicked it might take you to the Republican National Committee's home page. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #178

Hahah! That's what happens when you google for pro-gun quotations TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #191

Which makes total sense. DCBob Mar 2013 #177

That horse is dead. You can quit beating it. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #203

'Collectivist?' Seriously? TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #209

Yes. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #212

I never claimed it wasn't an individual right. I claimed (and provided proof) that the Founders TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #213

It's ironic. RedSpartan Mar 2013 #204

Yep, that was exactly my point. And while I'm not denying anybody's right to bear arms, my argument TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 #210