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syberlion

(136 posts)
61. I've Thought Long and Hard About This...
Wed May 1, 2013, 01:26 AM
May 2013

O'Connor was a Reagan appointee, and let's not forget America's most activist judge, Scalia. When the history of this country is finally written, the beginning of the end will be correctly traced to Reagan.

Bush the first was his Vice President, Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense, Edwin Meese Attorney General, Alexander "I'm in control..." Haig as Secretary of State.

Bush was previously appointed by Ford (the first non-elected President) as the director of the CIA. Bush, who as president pardoned Casper Weinberger even before he was tried for his part in the Iran-Contra Affairs (remember that one?). This was after Attorney General Ed Meese refused requests of assistance by the FBI and apparently looked the other way while a "shredding party" took place destroying National Security Council documents purportedly verifying Reagan's involvement in the arms sales to Iran.

The actions of the Reagan and then Bush the first's administrations set the president of certain people being above the law. Their actions in dealing with (or allowing) criminal actions of those in their own and in previous administrations signaled to right-wingers they could act without fear of legal action. Even if they were caught, they'd be pardoned.

What does this have to do with Bush v. Gore?

Even if the Supreme Court was found out as to their plot to install an unconstitutionally non-elected President, even if they were impeached by the Senate and tried in federal court, they knew they could act with impunity. Someone would pardon them, probably the very president they elevated to the post.

The point is, what the founding fathers set up as a nation of laws of which no one was above, is now a nation of men not unlike the very country our founding fathers fought against.

We no longer have trust in the judicial system. There is the law for the average person and then there is a system for those able to avoid the system. Even if they can't avoid it, there are ways designed for them to get through it unscathed (Scooter Libby, anyone?).

As to treason, the attempt to overthrow one's own government, it isn't where to begin as much as where do we end it? When do we reinstate the Constitutional government? At what point do we stand up against the very tyranny we left when we separated from King George and England?

What gets me about this whole farce is when you've corrupted the judicial branch, you've damaged the entire under-pinning of the government. So, when O'Connor says Bush v. Gore was a "mistake" she's admitting her complicity in a crime against the Constitution and is admitting she participated in circumventing the process, as written down in law, this government uses to govern itself. In effect, she helped overthrow the duly elected president by disrupting one state's process of counting ballots (these are the self-same states rights people).

The question is, if the highest court in the land is corrupt, who's judging them? More importantly, how do we clear out the corruption?

Thousands of lives and trillions of dollars too late. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #1
She has no conscience... NYtoBush-Drop Dead Apr 2013 #38
he's right, but i don't trust bugliosi any further than i could throw him. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #2
You shouldn't be throwing anyone, with your bad back and all NightWatcher Apr 2013 #3
i don't have a bad back. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #6
Your bad knee! MFrohike Apr 2013 #14
Knee. I can't believe I missed that one NightWatcher Apr 2013 #19
"These five Justices, by their conduct, bvar22 Apr 2013 #4
Right On Justice Stevens, we loose. bahrbearian Apr 2013 #7
That man, Justice Stevens, is my hero Samantha Apr 2013 #15
I didn't go Over-the-Edge until Bush v Gore. bvar22 Apr 2013 #28
And then the media HID the egg-throwing, furious protests at the inauguration of the tblue37 Apr 2013 #47
I can't remember the technical legal term for that "equal weight" argument Samantha Apr 2013 #52
If not treasonous, would it be appropriate to label it felonious as in the indepat Apr 2013 #44
I always called it treason. aquart Apr 2013 #5
Me too. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #20
Even if W had been a great president tblue Apr 2013 #32
I call it the 2nd xxqqqzme Apr 2013 #36
I would have said the rise of Reagan via the Iran-Contra affair was the first contemporary coup davekriss Apr 2013 #60
They call it "loyalty",...to Party, to Reagan, to God. (Who is a Capitalist) Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #37
O'Connor and the rest of the courtesans should go down as mass murderers with that decision. freshwest Apr 2013 #8
I hope she rots in Hell! emsimon33 Apr 2013 #24
What's most telling to me Canuckistanian Apr 2013 #9
exactly phantom power Apr 2013 #30
a mistake, sandra? really??? niyad Apr 2013 #10
there are no conspiracies, dammit! Whisp Apr 2013 #11
Shame on Sandra sheshe2 Apr 2013 #12
The blood of so many is on their hands... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #13
The 1964 book None Dare Call it Treason,came to mind from the Nation's title lunasun Apr 2013 #16
Now she says this. Marie Marie Apr 2013 #17
Agreed emsimon33 Apr 2013 #25
Bush V. Gore = worst SCOTUS decision ever, worst president ever. Initech Apr 2013 #18
+1 tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #22
I don't think it's overdramatic, either deutsey Apr 2013 #34
It's not overdramatic at all. It's what happened, and what was the inevitable result. calimary Apr 2013 #54
I don't believe it was a mistake at all. I believe it was deliberate crime. If SHE made a 'mistake' sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #21
I think she made a mistake if intentionally doing something illegal can be considered a mistake. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #49
I wish I could K&R this 1000 times! emsimon33 Apr 2013 #23
It was a 5-4 Republican vote. Old and In the Way Apr 2013 #26
And olivelove Apr 2013 #27
CORRECT Skittles Apr 2013 #57
Thanks Skittles olivelove Apr 2013 #59
This vote effected the entire world and cost millions of lives. Marrah_G Apr 2013 #29
too late to repair your legacy, sandra noiretextatique Apr 2013 #31
I looked at the Florida mob shot SCVDem Apr 2013 #33
She was singing a different tune on election night 2000 deutsey Apr 2013 #35
At the time, I thought John2 Apr 2013 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author YOHABLO Apr 2013 #46
raygun dothemath Apr 2013 #39
It is no big deal, I never had any respect for the 5 in the first place. Rex Apr 2013 #40
Vincent Bugliosi obviously doesn't understand OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #42
They sold America down the River of Perdition Berlum Apr 2013 #43
DU called it Treason from Day One. Octafish Apr 2013 #45
It is the same as it ever was. We are hated for being right. Rex Apr 2013 #48
''Only the educated are free.'' -- Epictetus Octafish Apr 2013 #50
It was Bush v. Gore sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #51
Scalia and Thomas should have recused The Wizard Apr 2013 #53
Spot on n/t lordsummerisle Apr 2013 #56
we heaven05 Apr 2013 #55
If Justice was real DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #58
I've Thought Long and Hard About This... syberlion May 2013 #61
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