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cherokeeprogressive

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Sun May 5, 2013, 03:02 AM May 2013

I'm going to try starting a conversation about what "responsible" gun laws should look like... [View all]

I'm a gun owner. I'm both a legacy gun owner and a legal purchaser. I came to own a number of long guns because they were passed down from Grandfather to Father to me. Three handguns I purchased through perfectly legal means; those being purchases of new handguns which required participation in gun safety courses and background checks in the State of California.

I'm going to lay out what I think are "responsible gun laws", and I welcome responses from those who either feel I've not gone far enough, and those who think I've gone too far.

I favor a type of "gun registry" which identifies existing guns by their type, serial number, and claim of ownership. I would exempt certain pieces of information pertaining to those who claim ownership such as address, phone number, etc. Register your gun using your name and fingerprints, the type and caliber of gun, and its serial number only. No other information should be necessary. Should your gun be used in a crime, it can be traced back to you. Whether it's been stolen or transferred is up to you to prove by reporting said theft or transfer. If it hasn't been reported stolen or transferred, you should be liable in some way for whatever crime it was used to commit.

No convicted felon should ever be allowed to possess a gun. They've proven their unworthiness and their propensity for breaking the law.

Every transfer of a gun of any type should be recorded and a background check should be performed regardless of whether it is a commercial sale, private sale, or private transfer between family members. No transfer of any gun should be allowed between two individuals without a background check. EVER.

Safe storage of guns should be mandatory, whether that storage be containment in a safe of some type, or trigger locks, or biometric locks of one kind or another. This doesn't need to be enforced by any kind of inspection or infringement of anyone's Constitutional protections. It can be enforced by penalties. Leave your gun unlocked and unattended or otherwise stored in an irresponsible manner and have someone killed by accident with it or during the commission of a crime? Get charged as if you held the gun yourself and pulled the trigger in anger.

I favor restrictions on magazine sizes. I have a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun which holds 2 rounds with one in the chamber. It doesn't have a removable magazine. If I can't hit the duck or pheasant or clay pigeon I'm shooting at with three rounds as fast as I can pull the trigger, the duck, pheasant or clay pigeon should go free. If I can't defend my living room with three rounds as fast as I can pull the trigger from the idiot who's trying to break down the door, woe is me. My 30.06 doesn't have a removable magazine either. It's been a lifetime since it's been out of the gun case but I believe it holds 3+1. I'm fine with that. I have a lever action 30-30 as well but it's been even longer since I've fired it. I'll go as far to say that I'm fine with long guns THAT DON'T HAVE REMOVABLE MAGAZINES, period. Don't like that? Tough. Learn to practice at the range 3-4 rounds at a time. Adjust your competitions to compensate.

Handguns? 10 rounds, single-stacked. No ups, no extras. That means you've got 11 rounds. Learn to be effective with 11 rounds.

Tell me where any of the things I've proposed would make me an "irresponsible gun owner", or where they might infringe on the INDIVIDUAL right (and I believe it IS an individual right) to possess a firearm.

I'm not a member of the NRA. I've never given them a dime either in magazine subscriptions or flat out contributions. I don't believe in lots of things they promote. I'm simply a person who believes the Second Amendment is a guarantee that the US Government will not infringe on my INDIVIDUAL right to own firearms for either hunting purposes or self-defense purposes, and I'm tired of being called a gun-humper because of what I believe.

Ready to talk? I am, and I've provided a platform that everyone can use. Agree or disagree. Add or subtract.

For what it's worth, this will be my last post in GD concerning guns. Each and every post about guns, gun violence, or anything else I'll trash.

I still love DU and respect most of the opinions I read here, but there's been a dearth of realistic opinions and a landslide of name-calling and/or recriminations. It's time for that to stop.

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That seems like a very reasonable compromise on the rkba issue. I'm happy to be the first k&r. Electric Monk May 2013 #1
I'm sure there is some measure of people who are afraid they'd fail the background check. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #4
It bans every rifle designed in the past century or so Recursion May 2013 #21
Couldn't they be retrofitted to comply? Think of all the gunsmiths it'd provide extra jobs for. nt Electric Monk May 2013 #61
I'm all for stimulus funds Recursion May 2013 #62
I will assume you agree NO to national reciprocity like the Cronyn amendment or graham4anything May 2013 #2
Every time you make the "no bullets" argument, I have to laugh... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #8
I note you didn't answer about the Cornyn amendment graham4anything May 2013 #13
Maybe no one knows who or what the "Cronyn amendment" (sic) is?? If you are going to stand up, Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #30
it's the prize found in the bottom of the cracker jack box, that says the NRA got what it wants graham4anything May 2013 #32
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #39
name calling, as I am Jewish, I have heard it before. graham4anything May 2013 #51
sounds like everyone is supposed to like DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #3
I didn't say anything about voting. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #6
gun humper logic Skittles May 2013 #7
If only you'd schedule this one for an... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #9
alas, it doesn't work Skittles May 2013 #16
Touche... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #19
Sounds reasonable to me! jazzimov May 2013 #5
how can it be enforced BEFORE someone is killed or hurt? graham4anything May 2013 #10
How do you enforce DUI laws before subjecting a driver to a breathalizer test? cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #11
All automobiles are registered and have a national registry. graham4anything May 2013 #12
Is this a Ceasar Word Salad, a House Word Salad, or a Wedge Word Salad? cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #15
your true colors show. I note again you did not say anything about the NRA pet project-recirpocity graham4anything May 2013 #20
You know, sometimes I'm not even sure we speak the same language. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #25
I note you made no mention of reciprocity, but focus on minutia. So so so telling graham4anything May 2013 #28
A few years ago Minneapolis installed cameras Jenoch May 2013 #53
You don't live somewhere with speeding/red light cameras, do you? Recursion May 2013 #35
Red light cams. Never seen a speeding cam. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #71
California has something I wish NYC could have graham4anything May 2013 #94
"Most families have ONE car driven by the entire driving age family." Jenoch May 2013 #55
I think you are due beer and travel money and many experiences. nt madinmaryland May 2013 #92
Tell us more about this Jenoch May 2013 #54
computers can get info nationwide. That is why now a ticket in Fl. costs & points on NJ insurance graham4anything May 2013 #57
I didn't ask about tickes and fines. Jenoch May 2013 #60
It can make the gun owner more careful treestar May 2013 #69
EXACTLY. Behaviour modification. jazzimov May 2013 #79
I believe serial numbers should be like vin numbers on cars.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #14
Every car has a VIN. Every gun has a serial number. I don't see the difference. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #17
What a sleight of hand. If you don't register it, who knows that it is yours? graham4anything May 2013 #22
You just described the gun nuts worse nightmare,... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #29
You need to check out Snopes about that picture. nt hack89 May 2013 #42
LOL! That's even better!... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #56
Very rare I would imagine. hack89 May 2013 #58
I'm more impressed by this... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #59
I would collect cars if I had that kind of money hack89 May 2013 #64
Kinda hard to fit in a basement though. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #66
That's not voluntary... Pelican May 2013 #95
Do you mean someone could legally own one magazine per handgun? Recursion May 2013 #18
Slow down. Here's where it gets dicey... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #24
But why worry about long guns at all? They aren't what's killing people Recursion May 2013 #26
Well. *MY* 30-06 *does have a removable magazine, but it only holds 4 shells, too. Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #23
I think a Firearm Operator ID Card is a great way to meet both of you two's concerns Recursion May 2013 #27
That sounds rational, on its face value.. but how how would you confirm the permit hasn't been... Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #31
Great question: my answer is a website and 800 number Recursion May 2013 #36
Good idea, but don't the cops and gun shops (Federally Licensed Dealers) use NCIC systems, which Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #37
Obviously there are privacy concerns, but these can be addressed Recursion May 2013 #38
This the first gun thread I will gladly R&K. longship May 2013 #33
Responsible Gun Law Number One - Heavily Tax Ammunition - Trace All Gunpowder With Taggants cantbeserious May 2013 #34
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So if your friend borrows your car, gets drunk and kills someone hack89 May 2013 #43
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You are not criminally liable hack89 May 2013 #45
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If you can prove willful negligence in court then sure hack89 May 2013 #48
The car analogy as usual is not valid treestar May 2013 #70
Unfortunately the post I was replying to was deleted hack89 May 2013 #75
Pistol owners who let somebody murder with their weapon should go away for a long stretch Kolesar May 2013 #41
"Let." Igel May 2013 #72
Who let Mr. Obtuse into the forum this afternoon? ... eom Kolesar May 2013 #86
One flaw with your registry scheme hack89 May 2013 #46
Gun possessors should have a current license... Sancho May 2013 #49
Insurance companies don't care if there are kids in the home hack89 May 2013 #65
If policies were required for guns (like auto and homeowners), they would probably ask about kids... Sancho May 2013 #74
I specifically insured my gun hack89 May 2013 #76
congrats on this thread. Nice to see some gun owners here stepping up. CTyankee May 2013 #50
I'm giving this a rec. Robb May 2013 #52
Let me also add Recursion May 2013 #63
Thanks cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #67
Sounds reasonable to me treestar May 2013 #68
I'm hard core and unreasonable about guns. hunter May 2013 #73
Cherokee, we wouldn't even need to debate guns if more gunners felt same way. Hoyt May 2013 #77
Banning guns like the Ruger 10/22 or Marlin 795 is unreasonable. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #78
"No convicted felon should ever be allowed to possess a gun... Comatose Sphagetti May 2013 #80
you do the crime, you do the time DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #81
Very simplistic and jingoistic. Comatose Sphagetti May 2013 #84
Look, this is a non starter. It may very well be DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #82
Rubricizing? Comatose Sphagetti May 2013 #83
These cops needed a lot more than three rounds to defend themselves: Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #85
I think this is a good place to start. LWolf May 2013 #87
I'm Curious About This Timbuk3 May 2013 #88
A sober me wouldn't have put it quite that way... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #89
Thanks for your reply Timbuk3 May 2013 #90
Any thoughts on a tier system? ejbrush May 2013 #91
I agree with a lot of wat you have there PD Turk May 2013 #93
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