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WCGreen

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Wed Feb 8, 2012, 08:27 PM Feb 2012

I truly get it, I really do see why people turn to faith in order to find their moral compass... [View all]

Last edited Fri Feb 10, 2012, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)

After all, it's all laid out there for people to follow.

(Now if all the people who claim to follow the teachings of their particular higher power, the world would be A LOT more peaceful, don't you think?)

And it doesn't bother me if candidates say that he/she bounces ideas off of god, or uses god as a moral dip stick, so to speak.

Having said that, after all their postering, I want people of religion to promise that they will put the needs of the country over the needs of their denomination,

In other words, plain words that they can understand, you are an American first and a ___________ second.

You must swear to recognize that we live in pluralistic society where all sorts of ideas, practices and worship routines come together to make us a country.

The only thing that ties us all together, and what makes us unique, is our system of government.

It's tough enough already to fit all the pieces together without purposely dividing people even more with the quirks of worship that have developed over the centuries.

The one true document that defines us is the Constitution. It isn't the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, the Big Book, the Moon Book...

So, I really want to zoom back to 1960 when people questioned then Senator John Kennedy if he would swear not to take his marching orders from the Vatican.

We all know what he said. He was an American first and a Roman Catholic second.

Candidates today get away with a lot. I have heard far too many candidates say they turned to god to make their decisions that their pastor is their guide. (Why is it right to have some mail order preacher as a moral guide but not the pope? JFK MUST have asked himself that question.)

What does that really mean? Especially to someone who knows some fundamentalists with really crazy ideas.

I want an American in the oval office. Preferably a democrat. I could care less if his/her moral compass points to god. After all, history is full of characters who shielded some awful behavior in the name of God.

Bottom line, I don't trust anyone who panders to believers just to get something they want.

I've seen it first hand when I ran for office.

I really think I would have done better as a politician if I went back to the family religion, Catholic, instead of looking toward the Unitarians for my spiritual guidance. (I actually overheard someone say she didn't trust Unitarians, they think too much.)

I just had to be true to myself.

It scares the bejeebies out of me that the GOP has a hard time separating P form D in their nickname.

Bottom line, I respect those who are true to their moral compass where ever iit comes from.

But as an American, it is my right to get my moral backbone from anywhere I see fit.

We are a country of laws, laws inspired many time by "God". But in the end, we are all just mortals who should really take a lesson from Icarus and not try to become a god. It's much better to be firmly attached to the bedrock of the Constitution, the higher power we all answer to in front of our peers.

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Samuel Clemens 1ProudAtheist Feb 2012 #1
Ol' Sam said many wise things hifiguy Feb 2012 #48
What basis do you offer for humans who once lived in nature without laws, to create a society that jody Feb 2012 #2
Well, it's a good thing to not go around killing people... WCGreen Feb 2012 #4
"it's a good thing" is an unsupported assertion. Please support it. nt jody Feb 2012 #7
Well Jody, it goes like this... WCGreen Feb 2012 #11
Interesting commentary, now please support your assertion. jody Feb 2012 #12
Oh, B.S. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #17
I'll record your post as unable to prove the cited assertion. Have a great evening. nt jody Feb 2012 #20
Lol. Where is your proof? Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #27
No critical thinking in your post. Only hatred and condemnation. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #40
I didn't seen any hatred or condemnation, just deserved ridicule snooper2 Feb 2012 #78
While replying to you pintobean Feb 2012 #80
Oh you're the entertainment and we laugh at you folk incessantly. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #81
Sweet, laughing is greatness...Helps turn tools into fools LOL snooper2 Feb 2012 #82
Folk was in reference to you roflmao RegieRocker Feb 2012 #84
Don't break your back...Of course Folk was a reference to me.. snooper2 Feb 2012 #85
Is Bedford a common area? RegieRocker Feb 2012 #86
I usually don't get involved in religious discussions of this kind... Capitalocracy Feb 2012 #44
Atta girl, my dear Arugula Latte! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2012 #22
Thanks, Peg! Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #26
No the get out of jail card is total B.S. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #35
+1 progressoid Feb 2012 #52
"A belief in a preternatural entity" doesn't get you any further muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #25
... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #53
Why must people without faith believe that they can or should do what they want without consequences LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #30
What about those who don't believe in a higher power and believe take what you can RegieRocker Feb 2012 #36
That's what we have laws for muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #50
The fiction is you believing that mans laws remain constant. The moral teachings of the bible do RegieRocker Feb 2012 #58
Your arguments contradict themselves muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #61
As I stated you missed the point enitrely RegieRocker Feb 2012 #62
But you don't end up with the same morals muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #64
Yes and what about this RegieRocker Feb 2012 #66
That was a war fought between countries that all had near total religious belief muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #67
However, "For country (tribe) is mans morals" is an unsupported statement. You got to be kidding RegieRocker Feb 2012 #69
You quoted a WWI poem muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #70
WWII was not a religious war for the Germans. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #76
Double post RegieRocker Feb 2012 #63
You already got one response to this LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #51
My point was that with or without faith there will always be bad apples and you should have known RegieRocker Feb 2012 #57
What about those that DO believe in a higher power and still take what they can? progressoid Feb 2012 #54
The morality of man has caused more death than any belief in GOD. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #60
Her response is hilarious. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #42
How about you support your first paragraph Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #74
LOL, without Gawd there would be anarchy in the streets snooper2 Feb 2012 #77
How long did humans live without any form of laws? LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #29
A hell of a lot longer than the witch trials lasted snooper2 Feb 2012 #79
HA ha!!!! Tsiyu Feb 2012 #68
faith is not about finding a moral compass. it's about rationalizing a moral compass. unblock Feb 2012 #3
Faith is important. We probably go insane w/o it. You have faith that the engineers rhett o rick Feb 2012 #5
But then again we live in a pluralistic society where there are all sorts of ways WCGreen Feb 2012 #9
Lots of sane people don't have "faith." That is a ridiculous statement. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #19
I did a terrible job of making my point. Let me try again. rhett o rick Feb 2012 #32
Nor does it make a better person that has no answers to question "who created everything?" RegieRocker Feb 2012 #37
Wtf? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #23
If that came across as insulting, I am sorry. It is only because of my inability to express myself rhett o rick Feb 2012 #31
No irrational beliefs? Mr. perfect has spoken! RegieRocker Feb 2012 #38
No I am not perfect, I just don't have to worship a sky-being to keep from going bonkers. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #45
Friends find Faith to be quaker bill Feb 2012 #6
I have a friend who is a Quaker... WCGreen Feb 2012 #10
All are always welcome quaker bill Feb 2012 #16
good post. thats like the prerequisite for making pluralism work. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #8
That's what got me going.... WCGreen Feb 2012 #13
When they decide for other people, who may not agree with how those folks think... CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2012 #15
Roflmao RegieRocker Feb 2012 #41
no, I put my multinational family before America. provis99 Feb 2012 #14
My views are kind of like your's. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #28
Safe to assume you are completely on board Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #47
You know, I am not sure a person of a deep, abiding and true faith actually CAN lead a nation. renie408 Feb 2012 #18
"Man is the only animal to have discovered the One True God.....several of them." Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #21
Hmm another one. Poor Mark Twain. Didn't know he knew what went on RegieRocker Feb 2012 #59
Religion should come above country cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #24
kindly read some neitzche DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #33
Believe you me I am not a big fan of religion.... WCGreen Feb 2012 #55
I don't get it. JFN1 Feb 2012 #34
However, if a person is lacking empathy Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #49
You mean like people who kill abortion doctors, like Dr. Slepian and Dr. Tiller? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #73
Jesus makes a pretty good moral compass Mopar151 Feb 2012 #39
Jesus, really????? Are you kidding???? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #71
I said pretty good - I did'nt say perfect. Mopar151 Feb 2012 #75
Jesus is NOT pretty good as a moral compass. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #83
From where are your citations coming? What if 5:18-25? nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #87
Gautama the Buddha is a much better moral compass. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #72
I just fish off mine. mmonk Feb 2012 #43
^ lol ^ Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #46
glad you got a chuckle... WCGreen Feb 2012 #56
Sorry, it was just sitting there saying take me. mmonk Feb 2012 #65
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