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Just Saying

(1,799 posts) Mon Jun 3, 2013, 09:09 PM Jun 2013

Strong opinions about Trayvon Martin's murder [View all]

Several threads are discussing this case. I think it strikes a nerve with so many because of the elements of racism and guns.

Do you think most progressives believe Zimmerman is guilty because he is a racist? Do conservatives think he's innocent because they are too? (Not all of them of course.).

Or is this a gun issue, in which those who think people should be able to protect themselves are against those who don't want people like Zimmeman playing cop?

22 votes, 2 passes \| Time left: Time expired
	This case has broken down on party lines because of racism.
	3 (14%)
	This case is about guns.
	0 (0%)
	This case is simply about an unarmed kid who was murdered.
	17 (77%)
	This OP is why off and here's why...
	2 (9%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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Strong opinions about Trayvon Martin's murder [View all] Just Saying Jun 2013 OP

There may be a lot of reasons why people are on one side of this issue but as you posted.. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #1

if Trayvon was not black what would most people be saying ? JI7 Jun 2013 #2

People who think this is about racism are applying that judgment to this case, not applying the law dkf Jun 2013 #3

and how likely is it that the person who feels his life is at risk is the one with the gun JI7 Jun 2013 #6

If they can prove Zimmerman shot at a fleeing Martin then it's over. dkf Jun 2013 #8

The witnesses have different accounts Just Saying Jun 2013 #10

Forensic evidence will give most people info to determine who was who. dkf Jun 2013 #11

Real life isn't a TV show Just Saying Jun 2013 #16

I know he racially profiled Martin as a criminal Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #13

What I can't get my head around is how people can think anything else? Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2013 #24

This is an interesting aspect to the case that hasn't been discussed much: wercal Jun 2013 #54

His father had rented a home there. Just Saying Jun 2013 #73

I don't recall saying he was trespassing wercal Jun 2013 #75

You implied it. Just Saying Jun 2013 #76

once again wercal Jun 2013 #82

In my opinion your own prejudices have colored your perceptions. Just Saying Jun 2013 #83

Oh, so I was wrong then? wercal Jun 2013 #88

Who cares? Just Saying Jun 2013 #89

Oh Really? wercal Jun 2013 #90

Stop implying a black kid that got killed was trespassing Just Saying Jun 2013 #91

You make stuff up...I correct you wercal Jun 2013 #92

It's the first time you've posted any actual facts. Just Saying Jun 2013 #93

Lets make sure we've got the score right wercal Jun 2013 #94

I read up to ignorant and I'm done with you. Just Saying Jun 2013 #95

I think you are ignorant wercal Jun 2013 #96

More facts for the "facts guy" Just Saying Jun 2013 #77

It's simple for me: Trayvon was a young black man and people assume the worst about young, black Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #36

"Defendant's perception" is wrong dpibel Jun 2013 #80

Sorry I meant it needs to be seen from his vantage at that point in time dkf Jun 2013 #81

The first three are all correct. onehandle Jun 2013 #4

why don't the gun nuts say "Trayvon should have had a gun" JI7 Jun 2013 #5

Because they're racist fucks. And the thought of a black man... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #78

Zimmerman went hunting and got what he was after NightWatcher Jun 2013 #7

I think you meant 'way off'. This case is mainly about the ubiquitous and so far permanent racism Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #9

Yes I did, thanks! N/t Just Saying Jun 2013 #23

The kid was murdered PD Turk Jun 2013 #12

I'm firmly for gun control, but I'm beginning to think Blacks JimDandy Jun 2013 #60

If the court decides PD Turk Jun 2013 #61

A, B and C. DevonRex Jun 2013 #14

This case is not about racism or gun control; cheyanne Jun 2013 #15

I disagree. Just Saying Jun 2013 #17

It has always been a racial matter for me Blue_Tires Jun 2013 #18

I strongly hope that the complete truth becomes known, Skip Intro Jun 2013 #19

I think Zimmerman tried to detain Trayvon and got his ass kicked so he shot him. You cannot.... Logical Jun 2013 #20

Agreed Just Saying Jun 2013 #21

When you say detain... Pelican Jun 2013 #29

I think he told trayvon to stop and wait for the police to arrive.... Logical Jun 2013 #30

Do you think that Zimmerman laid hands on Martin at that point? Pelican Jun 2013 #31

I think by that point, Martin feared for his life because of the police wannabe with a gun bullying Hoyt Jun 2013 #62

So... yes? no? Pelican Jun 2013 #65

Doesn't matter. Some Ahole stalks an unarmed kid simply because he's a Hoyt Jun 2013 #67

It might not matter to you.. Pelican Jun 2013 #69

Zimmerman did not act as a reasonable adult csziggy Jun 2013 #22

Both. It's a combination of a) the gun culture and b) 21st century racism (profiling) Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #25

Sorry, but bullshit. This is a very simple, straightforward case of a racist piece of shit Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #28

Oh, don't get me wrong, racism is very much a part of the case. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #42

Interactive timeline of events Just Saying Jun 2013 #26

Thank you. Listening to the phone calls, oh god. Zimmy was SO prejudging Trayvon. uppityperson Jun 2013 #34

I'm not sure why this case is broken down along party lines, ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #27

As an old publisher I can assure you, sir. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #44

If you claim self-defense LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #32

Normally, yes. But FL works a bit differently. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #47

racism and gun culture are intertwined. BainsBane Jun 2013 #33

Ding! Ding! Ding!! We have a winner here! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #37

Stand Your Ground has not been used in this case wercal Jun 2013 #56

SYG or not, the underlying motivation for Zimmerman's actions was race. He assumed that the black Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #59

Here is the statement you called a 'winner': wercal Jun 2013 #64

We've already settled that and I stand corrected; however, please do not naively dismiss Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #68

I already responded to you. Why do you keep rehashing this argument? I agreed that it's Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #70

??? I haven't rehashed anything wercal Jun 2013 #71

I selected the third choice, but I strongly believe that racism is the underlying story here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #35

yup. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #55

Unarmed kid who was murdered, HappyMe Jun 2013 #38

It's emotional TV propaganda intended to exploit emotions Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #39

Hardly. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #43

I passed because I don't have a strong opinion about the case - too much still not known. badtoworse Jun 2013 #40

Other. The case has been exploited by the media, who have created multiple conflicting narratives Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #41

Exploited, why? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #46

Exploited for profit. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #48

No. This case. How in this case has the media exploited the facts, and for what purpose? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #49

No. I feel you are fishing for an argument, Mr. Carcetti. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #50

Well you throw out a vague assertion that the media has exploited this case. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #51

If it bleeds, it leads Just Saying Jun 2013 #63

It's 100% racism. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #45

You would think it would be Hispanic "gun humpers"... egduj Jun 2013 #66

It was a cold blooded, cowardly, asssassination and Zim is the Poster person for the NRA graham4anything Jun 2013 #52

I think this is a gun issue... Sancho Jun 2013 #53

Most of the above. Bucky Jun 2013 #57

My major concern was met the day Zimmerman was indicted. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #58

Zimmerman should never have been arrested. Vattel Jun 2013 #72

The dead, unarmed child he shot is pretty serious. n/t Just Saying Jun 2013 #74

I agree. It is very serious and very tragic. Vattel Jun 2013 #85

For many, the day a bigot with a gun can't shoot an unarmed Black teenager, Hoyt Jun 2013 #79

Because the evidence supports Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. Vattel Jun 2013 #84

Yep, vigilante Zimmerman didn't care about shooting an innocent, unarmed teen. Hoyt Jun 2013 #86

It doesn't make people lynch mobs because they see the evidence very differently Just Saying Jun 2013 #87